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Re:Is the era of the $100 graphing calculator coming to an end? by wlesieutre on Monday September 23, 2019 @07:59PM (#21055095)
Back in Algebra 1 my teacher had a policy that you were allowed to use any program that you wrote yourself. More teachers should do that, though it'd get challenging to enforce if it weren't just the one or two nerdy kids taking you up on it.
Re:Is the era of the $100 graphing calculator coming to an end? by sdenton4 on Tuesday September 24, 2019 @02:01AM (#21056979)
One of my grad school math classes in differential geometry had a week-long take-home test. I requested to turn in a set of python scripts (i think this was juuuust before notebooks became A Thing), which the prof was happy to accept. The test problems effectively became test cases. I learned a ton.
Re:Is the era of the $100 graphing calculator coming to an end? by billforsternz on Monday September 23, 2019 @09:06PM (#21055460)
As a competitive chess player I have sometimes fantasised that there should be a rule allowing computer assistance providing you wrote the chess engine yourself. I've written a simple engine to complement my chess GUI but such a rule would definitely push me to massively improve it.
Re:Is the era of the $100 graphing calculator coming to an end? by thanatropism on Tuesday September 24, 2019 @12:23AM (#21056523)
It should be fairly easy to setup a parallel Lichess (or whatever it is you use) account and compare Elo ratings?
Re:Is the era of the $100 graphing calculator coming to an end? by billforsternz on Tuesday September 24, 2019 @01:19AM (#21056801)
Sorry I don't understand this comment. In case it's not clear I was talking about classical, over the board chess.
Re:Is the era of the $100 graphing calculator coming to an end? by croon on Tuesday September 24, 2019 @04:51AM (#21057862)
There would be no difference other than acting it out on a physical board (as well).
Re:Is the era of the $100 graphing calculator coming to an end? by billforsternz on Tuesday September 24, 2019 @06:38AM (#21058446)
True, but I still don't get what grandparent was talking about. Comparing Elo ratings of what why?
Re:Is the era of the $100 graphing calculator coming to an end? by thanatropism on Tuesday September 24, 2019 @10:34PM (#21067038)
Of your account that plays with the aid of a chess engine and the one where you play unaided.
Re:Is the era of the $100 graphing calculator coming to an end? by billforsternz on Wednesday September 25, 2019 @12:39AM (#21067654)
Oh okay, right. Well yes hypothetically if there was such a rule, yes you could do that. But there never will be such a rule so I have never and will never play with computer assistance. On Lichess or over the board or anywhere else. And even hypothetically I am not sure what the point would be of proceeding as you suggest. Obviously I would be better with the computer assistance and have a higher Elo. But only once I got my engine up to be much stronger than me (otherwise there'd be no point in bothering).
Re:Is the era of the $100 graphing calculator coming to an end? by gnicholas on Monday September 23, 2019 @08:36PM (#21055326)
I remember writing programs for my TI-85, and I learned those formulas better than if I'd just memorized them for the test. I don't think our teachers had any rules about this stuff, and they probably didn't even know it was possible.

I think the bigger "loophole" is the ability to quickly solve simultaneous and and quadratic equations very easily using built-in functions on the calculators. This saves real time on tests like the SAT, because all you have to do is reorganize the equation to be in the right order, then tap in the coefficients to get the answer.

Re:Is the era of the $100 graphing calculator coming to an end? by wlesieutre on Monday September 23, 2019 @08:44PM (#21055362)
The TI-89 is definitely not fair in a calculus class because it can solve most of the problems for you
Re:Is the era of the $100 graphing calculator coming to an end? by madengr on Monday September 23, 2019 @09:20PM (#21055531)
Back when I was in calc, you actually had to show your work, so a calculator was pointless.
Re:Is the era of the $100 graphing calculator coming to an end? by wlesieutre on Monday September 23, 2019 @09:35PM (#21055614)
Still helpful to have a calculator verify your answers even if you have to solve the problems yourself
Re:Is the era of the $100 graphing calculator coming to an end? by dagw on Tuesday September 24, 2019 @05:28AM (#21058042)
It's much easier to reverse engineer the right steps once you know the correct answer.
Re:Is the era of the $100 graphing calculator coming to an end? by hombre_fatal on Tuesday September 24, 2019 @12:07AM (#21056438)
I was in HS in the early 2000s and graphing calculator programs were advanced enough to show you the work on the way to the answer. You'd just copy the steps onto paper. Especially useful for blitzing homework.
Re:Is the era of the $100 graphing calculator coming to an end? by mrguyorama on Tuesday September 24, 2019 @04:28PM (#21064286)
Those calculators were much more expensive than the already crazy expensive TI-84 that I had. When I got to college/calculus and actually started struggling with math a bit, I learned how to use the ability of calculators to check work or solve the end product to re-derive a method or otherwise help guide me. It didn't always work, but once or twice it was the key to helping me get an answer and process
Re:Is the era of the $100 graphing calculator coming to an end? by donatj on Tuesday September 24, 2019 @01:30AM (#21056848)
I found a program like this about 6 months into my 8 month B.C. Calc class. I blame the discovery on my mediocre B.C. exam score, as while I knew how to do everything I was pretty slow at remembering how with my assigned calculator.
Re:Is the era of the $100 graphing calculator coming to an end? by analognoise on Monday September 23, 2019 @09:37PM (#21055628)
You check your work with the calculator in the extra time after you're done with the test.
Re:Is the era of the $100 graphing calculator coming to an end? by tasogare on Monday September 23, 2019 @11:19PM (#21056164)
I get away using a smartphone (without internet access) during a translation test because dictionary was allowed and I’d wrote the dictionary software myself.