Re:Realtek RTL836x series of Ethernet switch ICs has a 8051 ...
by mbell on Sunday September 22, 2019 @01:31PM
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It's not so much the 'core' as the memory. For example it looks like the RTL8367 has 16KB of program memory, 32KB of data memory, 256bytes of SRAM and a 12KB nic buffer. These memory cells will make up the bulk of the transistors in the 8051 part of the chip and tend to be points of manufacturing failure. In many cases the chip would be designed with more memory than it needs under the assumption there will always be a few failures. So if you need 16KB, you design in 18KB and turn off the rows/banks that fail or test as the worst. If too many fail you sell it as next memory size down, or in this case you zap a couple fuses and sell it as the part without an MCU on board. Of course this doesn't always work, sometimes you need more of the non-perfect parts than you have to fill orders so you just zap the fuses anyway.
Re:Realtek RTL836x series of Ethernet switch ICs has a 8051 ...
by close04 on Sunday September 22, 2019 @10:40AM
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I think these are actually built on 150nm process. Using a modern process like 16nm would command some hefty premiums, and some redesign work. This is what old fabs end up manufacturing: high volume, low cost ICs.
But you're right about the rest. The segmentation is achieved with fuses and firmware.
Re:Realtek RTL836x series of Ethernet switch ICs has a 8051 ...
by bhouston on Sunday September 22, 2019 @10:30AM
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Intel only taps out about three different dies per generation line I believe. For example the Skylake-SP line just has LCC, HCC and XCC dies, and the the whole multitude of their product line comes from those three.
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Re:Realtek RTL836x series of Ethernet switch ICs has a 8051 ...
by 0xcde4c3db on Sunday September 22, 2019 @04:23PM
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There are also chips that support two different feature sets via a mode pin, but instead of documenting the mode pin, the modes are sold as separate products with the mode pin simply labeled as Vcc/ground/NC.
Likely cheaper to manufacture a single chip and do market segmentation via software than manufacture two if the savings are measly (let’s assume 16nm process) 1/500 mm^2 per chip.