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Re:Minimum unit pricing may have helped reduce alcohol-relat... by pjc50 on Friday September 20, 2019 @08:07AM (#21025716)
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/asp/2012/4/section/1

All alcohol sold is marked with the number of "units" it contains. Multiply that by the minimum unit price (currently £0.50) to get a minimum total price.

Examples: https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/scotland-minimum-al...

See also https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/alcohol-scotland-d...

Re:Minimum unit pricing may have helped reduce alcohol-relat... by kerkeslager on Friday September 20, 2019 @08:48AM (#21026071)
Christ, that's terribly written. Legalese is not a good way to communicate even very basic scientific concepts.

> The minimum price of alcohol is to be calculated according to the following formula—

> MPU × S × V × 100

> where—

> MPU is the minimum price per unit,

> S is the strength of the alcohol, and

> V is the volume of the alcohol in litres.

It's hard to figure out, but I think "alcohol" actually means "alcoholic beverage" and "strength" means "percentage of alcohol in the alcoholic beverage". So with a MPU of £0.50 and pint (0.56 litres) of 3% alcohol cider, you'd have £.5 × .03 × .56L × 100 = £0.84. So it looks like the "unit" in "minimum price per unit" is "centiliters", although this unit is mentioned literally nowhere in the law.

It's a minimum price per centiliter of pure alcohol in the beverage. That's it.

Re:Minimum unit pricing may have helped reduce alcohol-relat... by pjc50 on Friday September 20, 2019 @09:22AM (#21026366)
UK drinkers are generally familiar with the "unit" system - although I had no idea how much a "unit" actually was, the rule of thumb of it being roughly one standard measure of spirits or half a pint of beer is easy to remember.

https://www.nhs.uk/live-well/alcohol-support/calculating-alc...

Re:Minimum unit pricing may have helped reduce alcohol-relat... by kerkeslager on Friday September 20, 2019 @02:00PM (#21029500)
Strength = percentage alcohol, though? Alcohol = a liquid that contains alcohol?

Units aren't the only confusing thing here.

Re:Minimum unit pricing may have helped reduce alcohol-relat... by stordoff on Friday September 20, 2019 @06:03PM (#21031782)
> I think "alcohol" actually means "alcoholic beverage"

You need to read it in context. "Alcohol" is quite adequately defined at Licensing Act (Scotland) 2005 s.2: http://www.legislation.gov.uk/asp/2005/16/section/2

s.147 defines strength: "strength", in relation to alcohol, is to be determined in accordance with section 2 of the Alcoholic Liquor Duties Act 1979 (c. 4), thus "the alcoholic strength of any liquor is the ratio of the volume of the alcohol contained in the liquor to the volume of the liquor (inclusive of the alcohol contained in it)".

It's defined in such terms as that makes it easy to calculate - both strength and volume can be looked up from the label of the alcohol. The average person wouldn't know where to start with centiliters of pure alcohol in the beverage. You don't actually need to know what a unit is to calculate it, but it's 10ml of pure alcohol, or 25ml of a 40% spirit (standard sales amount). It'll be familiar to most UK drinkers.

Re:Minimum unit pricing may have helped reduce alcohol-relat... by eyegor on Friday September 20, 2019 @08:23AM (#21025851)
> strength is taken to be the alcoholic strength by volume as indicated by the mark or label

This phrasing frustrates me quite a bit. I assume they're referring to "% concentration of ethanol by volume", but they chose to express it in this obtuse "units" and "strength" nomenclature. (Or is this referring to the "proof" as the strength in their formula? Is that metric used in Scotland?)

Re:Minimum unit pricing may have helped reduce alcohol-relat... by kdmccormick on Friday September 20, 2019 @08:30AM (#21025926)
As Symbiote explains above, units are just (volume * %ABV) expressed in a standard unit -- centiliters. It seems like a great system... it's like "standard drinks" in the US but actually printed on bottles. I imagine removing the need for people to do multiplication in order to figure out how much they are drinking is probably a good thing.
Re:Minimum unit pricing may have helped reduce alcohol-relat... by kerkeslager on Friday September 20, 2019 @08:50AM (#21026089)
Units are centilitres, so why not just say centilitres?

If the intent is to communicate to the public, this is not an effective way to do it.

Re:Minimum unit pricing may have helped reduce alcohol-relat... by rleigh on Saturday September 21, 2019 @07:34AM (#21034697)
It's absolutely effective. Much of the public aren't as educated as we might like, and communication needs to be as simple as possible. Using units of measure will only serve to confuse, because it adds additional complexity in interpreting the advice.

"Units" reduce the complexity to a single number. For most drinks it will be 1, 2 or 3 units. Simple numbers, single digits.

General health advice will state that n units are the maximum recommended per week or day for men or for women. It's a single number to remember. Make sure the drinks you have total less than that maximum number, and you'll be following the recommendations.

The aim here isn't to be scientifically accurate. It's to reduce the problem to its essentials so that the message is clear and simple, and everyone in the entire population can understand it and follow it. By that measure, it's wildly successful.

Re:Minimum unit pricing may have helped reduce alcohol-relat... by kerkeslager on Sunday September 22, 2019 @09:39PM (#21045267)
> Using units of measure will only serve to confuse, because it adds additional complexity in interpreting the advice.

Units are an unit of measure. It's literally a different name for a centilitre.

> "Units" reduce the complexity to a single number. For most drinks it will be 1, 2 or 3 units. Simple numbers, single digits.

Centilitres reduce the complexity to a single number. For most drinks it would be 1, 2, or 3 centilitres. Simple numbers, single digits.

> General health advice will state that n units are the maximum recommended per week or day for men or for women. It's a single number to remember. Make sure the drinks you have total less than that maximum number, and you'll be following the recommendations.

General health advice will state that n centilitres are the maximum recommended per week or day for men or for women. It's a single number to remember. Make sure the drinks you have total less than that maximum number, and you'll be following the recommendations.

Re:Minimum unit pricing may have helped reduce alcohol-relat... by Normal_gaussian on Friday September 20, 2019 @09:20AM (#21026347)
Its incredibly effective.

One shot is one unit.

One beer is 2-3 units.

One glass of wine is 2-3 units.

It is very simple maths. The kind you find hard to mess up when drinking.

Re:Minimum unit pricing may have helped reduce alcohol-relat... by kerkeslager on Friday September 20, 2019 @09:31AM (#21026451)
It's incredibly ineffective, or people wouldn't be asking so many questions about it on this thread.

One shot is one centilitre.

One beer is 2-3 centilitres.

One glass of wine is 2-3 centilitres.

It's not maths at all, it's just communication. There's nothing "simpler" about "unit" than "centilitre", it's just less clear.

Re:Minimum unit pricing may have helped reduce alcohol-relat... by XJ6 on Friday September 20, 2019 @09:41AM (#21026543)
People asking questions are being obtuse and also clearly aren't in the UK where this legislation is aimed.

It would be like a continental European going to America and going, "What are all these MILES things? It's confusing!".

Re:Minimum unit pricing may have helped reduce alcohol-relat... by kerkeslager on Friday September 20, 2019 @01:58PM (#21029489)
I'm an American, and miles are confusing.
Re:Minimum unit pricing may have helped reduce alcohol-relat... by nmeofthestate on Friday September 20, 2019 @08:31AM (#21025927)
A "unit" is a specific amount of alcohol though. Not very obtuse if you are familiar with it, and know that, for example, a pint of session ale is around a couple of units. The minimum price is applied per alcohol unit.
Re:Minimum unit pricing may have helped reduce alcohol-relat... by dagw on Friday September 20, 2019 @08:31AM (#21025935)
A 'unit' in Scotland/UK is 1cl of pure alcohol. So to get the number of 'units' of alcohol you multiply the the 'strength', in % ethanol by volum, by the volume of the container it is sold in. So a 1 liter bottle of vodka is 1l x 40% = 40 units and a bottle of wine in 0.75 x 13% = 9.75 units.