Re:Solar and Wind Power So Cheap They’re Outgrowing Subsidies
by teabee89 on Thursday September 19, 2019 @05:27PM
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Thank you for being the voice of reason <3 Small correction though on your last paragraph: nuclear is not a renewable energy, but it does not emit carbon.
Re:Solar and Wind Power So Cheap They’re Outgrowing Subsidies
by ClumsyPilot on Thursday September 19, 2019 @08:11PM
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Geothermal is not renewable either, but we say it is. There is so much Uranium, I would consider it "close enough"
Re:Solar and Wind Power So Cheap They’re Outgrowing Subsidies
by ncmncm on Friday September 20, 2019 @09:14AM
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If geothermal isn't renewable, then neither is solar. Or wind. Or hydro. Those all trace to irreversable conversion of hydrogen to helium. Geothermal comes from fission, just like nuclear.
Re:Solar and Wind Power So Cheap They’re Outgrowing Subsidies
by pfdietz on Saturday September 21, 2019 @07:22AM
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Geothermal does not come from fission. It comes from some combination of primordial heat (which is gravitational), and alpha and beta decay (not fission).
Re:Solar and Wind Power So Cheap They’re Outgrowing Subsidies
by ncmncm on Sunday September 22, 2019 @11:30PM
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I had gathered that primordial heat would have petered out billions of years ago. That the radioactive decay cited as providing long-term heat is not primarily fission is a surprise. But isn't alpha decay really a kind of fission? It's not useful for chain reactions, but that's a whole other topic.
The answer I kept seeing from pro-renewable/anti-nuclear people is that banning fossil fuels is unrealistic and impossible. Battery is a tiny part of a tiny part when solar/wind is not producing, as can be seen in sites that provide real time data from EU.
Take a random country in EU. Look at how much energy is produced by wind at peak. Compare it to the lowest lowest point, remove nuclear and hydro, and you get how much fossil fuels that country use at peak. For most countries that is natural gas or coal and it matches wind production almost (only almost as natural gas is a bit more expensive than peak wind, as peak wind can even get negative in purchasing price).
There is also numbers on what power plants countries are currently building. The top one: natural gas power plants. Second one, wind. The power plants we build today is what will produce power tomorrow, and the vector of where investment and constructions is being put is in favor of more natural gas, not less. Nuclear is in many places being replaced by natural gas.
But to get back on track, lets have this ban of fossil fuels in energy and heating. I wish it would happen. It would be great for the environment, force an answer with money on the table on question if nuclear is cheaper than battery, and finally distance the renewable movement away from natural gas. The Northerly regions are not really a big coal/gas users anyway because they also tend to have mountains, rivers, and few people. Hydro will work perfectly fine as long the energy does need to go to southern regions.
To put it simply: countries need to stop building natural gas powers plants and put those investments into battery or nuclear. That is the progress bar for a completely renewable energy grid. As far as I can read it stand right now at almost 0%.