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Re:The Practical vs. Idealistic Scenarios for the Near-Term ... by neild on Thursday January 13, 2011 @07:56PM (#2102033)
Apple supporting only h.264 and deliberately not supporting flash in order to force uptake is a good thing.

Google supporting only WebM and deliberately not supporting h.264 in order to force uptake is a bad thing.

That's a very poor reading of Gruber's argument. Instead:

Apple supporting only h.264 and deliberately not supporting Flash in order to force uptake is a good thing.

Google supporting only WebM and deliberately not supporting H.264 will not force uptake of WebM, and will instead drive the continued use of Flash for playing video.

Re:The Practical vs. Idealistic Scenarios for the Near-Term ... by thomasmeeks on Thursday January 13, 2011 @10:11PM (#2102385)
Perhaps, though the disconnect here is that open source fanboys pretty much dislike H.264 as much as flash. Neither is open source by OSI standards: http://www.opensource.org/docs/osd. All the screaming about running from flash seems kind of silly when you point to something like H.264 as the alternative.

It is a standard, but that means little with all of the royalty-bearing patents surrounding it. It is royalty-free in a limited use case, but still can't be included on your typical linux distribution legally.

Not that I think Google is being altruistic. They obviously have a vested interest in controlling the video format youtube uses. Now is the time to bring a new format to the table, too. Gives them some breathing space to fight it out before worrying about paying royalties for H.264 or its successor.

I'll happily deal with a couple more years of flash (and honestly, we were going to anyway, ie9 isn't going to sweep away 7 & 8 anytime soon) to get WebM as a standard instead of H.264.