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Re:Solar and Wind Power So Cheap They’re Outgrowing Subsidies by epistasis on Thursday September 19, 2019 @12:02PM (#21017488)
Could you find one economist that would say that an unpriced externality is not a subsidy?

This isn't a tortured analogy, it isn't an unconventional use of the term, these things are economically equivalent.

Most people don't know the word "externality," so using a less precise term that they do know is not in any way deceptive.

Re:Solar and Wind Power So Cheap They’re Outgrowing Subsidies by astine on Thursday September 19, 2019 @12:34PM (#21017848)
In my experience, economists don't usually conflate subsidies with negative externalities any more than the conflate positive externalities with taxation.

"Most people don't know the word "externality," so using a less precise term that they do know is not in any way deceptive."

People do know the word 'subsidy' and most know that it means a direct gift or tax benefit by the government which is not the same thing as an externality. What's more, they do know the word 'cost' as well, which is much clearer in this case than 'subsidy'.

Re:Solar and Wind Power So Cheap They’re Outgrowing Subsidies by imrelaxed on Thursday September 19, 2019 @02:54PM (#21019375)
Thanks for the fantastic contributions to this topic, respect.
Re:Solar and Wind Power So Cheap They’re Outgrowing Subsidies by CPLX on Thursday September 19, 2019 @01:22PM (#21018407)
I have a degree in economics. So you've found one.

A subsidy is a direct monetary transfer. A diffuse externalized cost does not qualify.

Re:Solar and Wind Power So Cheap They’re Outgrowing Subsidies by crumpets on Thursday September 19, 2019 @06:06PM (#21021197)
> Could you find one economist that would say that an unpriced externality is not a subsidy?

All of them?

>This isn't a tortured analogy, it isn't an unconventional use of the term, these things are economically equivalent.

No they are not. This isn't the equivalent of a tax break that other companies are being taxed for. It's a think for which no taxes exist for anyone. No industries are being taxed for these externalities.

It doesn't fit any of the dictionary definitions: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/subsidy

>Most people don't know the word "externality," so using a less precise term that they do know is not in any way deceptive.

It's not a less precise term. It's the wrong term. Might as well call it a bailout if you're going for political outrage.