Re:Banks, Arbitrary Password Restrictions and Why They Don't...
by VBprogrammer on Wednesday September 18, 2019 @01:21PM
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The thing is though, what they seemed to object to was trying to login (not using the same session cookie) across different IP addresses. At least that was the case when I opened the site on my laptop. Maybe my phone did login on the dodgy wifi and then when I reconnected via the 4g it tried to use that session, perhaps causing my account to be flagged. I'm not really convinced though.
It clearly makes sense to tie the session to the IP address but the 10 minute delay doesn't make much sense to me.
Re:Banks, Arbitrary Password Restrictions and Why They Don't...
by nybble41 on Wednesday September 18, 2019 @02:56PM
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> It clearly makes sense to tie the session to the IP address...
At one point that might have been true but not any more. Mobile devices are the norm, and handoffs between cell towers and WiFi access points are handled transparently without any user interaction. Consequently, people expect their sessions to continue working despite changes in their IP address. Use TLS connections and set expiration times on the session cookies, but ignore the source IP address.
Re:Banks, Arbitrary Password Restrictions and Why They Don't...
by rtkwe on Wednesday September 18, 2019 @04:33PM
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Your IP doesn't change per tower transition, your data from the tower goes through more centralized servers. For example my IP sitting physically in RTP in North Carolina is actually exiting AT&Ts network in Atlanta, Georgia.
Re:Banks, Arbitrary Password Restrictions and Why They Don't...
by nybble41 on Wednesday September 18, 2019 @04:59PM
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For clean handoffs within the same network, sure. But you also have roaming to consider, and the device may lose its connection temporarily and be assigned a new address when it returns.
Re:Banks, Arbitrary Password Restrictions and Why They Don't...
by wool_gather on Wednesday September 18, 2019 @08:10PM
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Is there actually any advantage to having a dynamic pool of IP addresses like this? Associating a number from your IP block to a subscriber number seems far, far simpler and better.
Re:Banks, Arbitrary Password Restrictions and Why They Don't...
by zAy0LfpBZLC8mAC on Thursday September 19, 2019 @01:04AM
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Locality/size of routing tables. If you had a hundred million subscribers with fixed IP addresses moving all over the country, you essentially could not aggregate any routes, but would have to have a hundred million routes in your routing table, and/or you would have to push all the traffic from and to all subscribers through one central router, which in particular would add latency for any subscribers that currenty are at the other end of the country.
Re:Banks, Arbitrary Password Restrictions and Why They Don't...
by mnoorenberghe on Wednesday September 18, 2019 @11:11PM
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If you’re suggesting each subscriber gets a static IP then that’s much worse for privacy.
Re:Banks, Arbitrary Password Restrictions and Why They Don't...
by wool_gather on Thursday September 19, 2019 @12:00PM
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I'm speaking from the provider's point of view: they don't care about privacy. In fact, in the US there is a federal law that requires them to be able to associate network activity with a subscriber at the request of law enforcement.
Re:Banks, Arbitrary Password Restrictions and Why They Don't...
by Spooky23 on Thursday September 19, 2019 @12:01AM
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Your cellular traffic is proxied in most cases, and how carriers present it varies.
Re:Banks, Arbitrary Password Restrictions and Why They Don't...
by dsfyu404ed on Wednesday September 18, 2019 @01:36PM
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>In real life if the attacker is capable of stealing my session credentials the chance of them _not_ being able to tunnel through my local network is infinitesimal.
In real life each "trivial" filter like this cuts down a substantial number of potential attackers. Defense in depth. When there's a ton of hoops to jump through attackers go find a different target.
Re:Banks, Arbitrary Password Restrictions and Why They Don't...
by heavenlyblue on Wednesday September 18, 2019 @01:41PM
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Nah, in real life it constantly batters the system administrators with unnecessary alarms who then stop taking them as seriously as they should be if they were actual attacks.
In real life if the attacker is capable of stealing my session credentials the chance of them _not_ being able to tunnel through my local network is infinitesimal.