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Re:Classical music works of the 21st century by TheOtherHobbes on Tuesday September 17, 2019 @04:29AM (#20992912)
Xenakis and Stockhausen definitely count as contemporary classical.

It's actually about lineage. Contemporary classical sells itself on the basis that there's a direct academic - sometimes historical - link to Beethoven, who was the prototypical Genius Composer.

Which is why you usually get all the stock tropes - concert halls, serious audiences in seats listening very intently, serious clothes for the players, a serious conductor at the front, clapping at the end only, definitely no cheering or dancing - that also apply to traditional classical music concerts.

It's also about intellectual content. Pop doesn't usually try to justify itself intellectually. Contemporary classical does nothing but. Which is why it's a long series of "isms" of various kinds, all making more or less convincing claims about their own immense cultural importance.

You don't get points for writing interesting music, you get points for creating a new "ism" - preferably an "important" one - and then writing music around it.

The committed audience is actually tiny - five figures globally, if that - so "important" is debatable.

Even so - the idea that contemporary classical is "important", with the implication that other music isn't, is probably the key to the genre.

Re:Classical music works of the 21st century by raptorraver on Tuesday September 17, 2019 @06:34AM (#20993483)
Former classical music composer here. Your analysis is quite spot on. Some people in classical music scene even call it ”serious music”.
Re:Classical music works of the 21st century by sammorrowdrums on Tuesday September 17, 2019 @10:11AM (#20995275)
Yeah these labels are fascinating. I studied jazz at a conservatoire and also played in the "classical" Contemporary Music Ensemble which played a lot of this difficult to define art music.

And there was the amusing rift between popular, jazz and classical students in terms of what music was about and later working as a session player of sorts I used to laugh (internally) playing jazz sets with some function bands because they didn't play any "actual jazz" and didn't play it "properly" and yet nobody else would even notice.

It's fun to debate music and genre definition, genre lacking enough nuance to even work effectively for lots of music.

If I recall Soweto Kinch (UK rapper and sax player) had difficulties with record stores putting him in jazz, and ideally he'd wanted to be in urban sections also.

For musicians and composers I think genre definition is more of a necessary evil than something helpful.

Re:Classical music works of the 21st century by tunesmith on Tuesday September 17, 2019 @12:50PM (#20997328)
There are other distinctions, though. For instance, classical music, aside from some forms of minimalism, is very definitely not about loops and layers. Classical music is more about long form narrative and has a lot more in common with long form fiction, with development, surprises, and entirely new contexts. The way a classical work is cohesive within itself is very different than how a pop song or jazz or electronica is.
Re:Classical music works of the 21st century by dwd on Wednesday September 18, 2019 @01:01AM (#21002495)
Funny enough a lot of film scores and more recently TV and video game soundtracks also follow that formula with specific motifs for different characters with variations depending on the scene.

It's particularly noticable where you have a long running series that allow for the motifs to mature over time.

Re:Classical music works of the 21st century by analog31 on Tuesday September 17, 2019 @08:12AM (#20994006)
Amusingly, jazz people call it "legit" music.