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Re:WeWork parent pulls IPO following pushback: sources by untog on Tuesday September 17, 2019 @12:00AM (#20991361)
> large fraction of talented engineers have worked at FB or Google

I'd actually dispute that. The tech world is really, really big. There are a great many extremely talented engineers that have never worked at FB or Google, but they're also the kind of engineers that don't write blog posts or attend conferences, so they're less visible.

Re:WeWork parent pulls IPO following pushback: sources by gumby on Tuesday September 17, 2019 @12:23AM (#20991519)
Your point is quite reasonable in general but the discussion was for Silicon Valley and San Francisco. My GF has worked for Microsoft, Amazon, FB and now Google (and some startups over the years). How? Well they all have big tech offices close to Palo Alto. When she worked for various startups she was an ex-MS, ex-FB etc person.

If she'd stayed in Chicago (Northwestern grad), that's unlikely. Of course those companies have outposts there, but fewer tech roles by an order of magnitude or two.

Re:WeWork parent pulls IPO following pushback: sources by kelnos on Tuesday September 17, 2019 @06:06AM (#20993376)
I would still maintain that the parent is correct and there is a large quantity of talented developers in SV who have never worked at FB/Google/MS/etc.

I know quite a few of them (and would like to believe I'm talented, too).

Re:WeWork parent pulls IPO following pushback: sources by pbalau on Tuesday September 17, 2019 @08:23AM (#20994081)
A large fraction doesn't not mean "most". 1/4 is a large fraction. 1/10 is still a large fraction. Due to the large amount of people companies like fb, goog, apple etc employ, statistically you should expect that a SV startup on the verge of not being a startup anymore employs some ex-ers. Not having any, will raise questions. This doesn't mean the startup is bad, the answer to said questions might...
Re:WeWork parent pulls IPO following pushback: sources by kelnos on Tuesday September 17, 2019 @09:34AM (#20994848)
My perception is that even 1/10 is vastly overstating the number of engineers in SV who work for those companies. 1/20 might even be on the high side.
Re:WeWork parent pulls IPO following pushback: sources by gumby on Tuesday September 17, 2019 @04:59PM (#21000032)
Not just "work for" but "have ever worked for" which is, at this point, a much larger number.

What percentage of developers that is I haven't the faintest clue. But definitely significantly more than 10% of my friends have worked for at least one of FAAMNG. And I have a lot of non-nerd friends too.

The propinquity is insane. When my GF decided to leave MS she walked from her MS building on her lunch break to her interviews at Google and LinkedIn (LI has subsequently moved). Of course the inverse is true too: there aren't many startups in that area, except in the Landings complex (where Cygnus used to be!).

Re:WeWork parent pulls IPO following pushback: sources by jsjohnst on Tuesday September 17, 2019 @07:52AM (#20993869)
You’re missing the point, not working at FB/Google/Microsoft/Yahoo!/Amazon/Apple doesn’t mean you aren’t a talented engineer, but the fact remains, having worked at one of those companies for several years or longer is a sure fire way to get recruiters to chase you. So not having any of those folks (which recruiters lust for) and yet being a “tech unicorn” is generally not a good sign.
Re:WeWork parent pulls IPO following pushback: sources by kelnos on Tuesday September 17, 2019 @09:35AM (#20994858)
No, I'm not missing anything. I agree with the point that you just made, but that wasn't the point that I was replying to.
Re:WeWork parent pulls IPO following pushback: sources by jsjohnst on Wednesday September 18, 2019 @01:52PM (#21008015)
I understood what you were replying too, just feel you focused to much on being literal with the “large majority”, hence my reply. Glad we agree on the other part, so cheers!