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Re:In Aging Singapore, 65-Year-Olds Are Learning How to Code by Clubber on Sunday September 15, 2019 @11:19AM (#20977585)
Translation: Singapore's government is failing its elderly generation. A very small percentage are able to keep working and supporting themselves for a few more months / years by learning how to program, in probably the most basic sense. Everyone else is unable to find work but unable to receive retirement benefits that they've paid for during their working years in taxes. This circumstance is due to either corruption or ineptitude, or both.

This will probably be a more prominent story in the US soon as well. Save your money as best you can and don't count on governments to fulfill their promises.

When I was growing up, the retirement age in the US was 65. Now it's 66 and will soon be 67. By the time I retire, it will probably be higher. It's blamed on the population living longer, yet the average lifespan has been decreasing recently. The government failed (or ignored) the fairly obvious result of modern medicine making people live longer and did not plan for it, and continues to not plan for it other than cutting benefits. How many 66 year old programmers do you know?

Re:In Aging Singapore, 65-Year-Olds Are Learning How to Code by chrisco255 on Sunday September 15, 2019 @11:37AM (#20977689)
The average lifespan decreased by something like 0.1 years. It's a slight dip in an otherwise upward trend in life expectancy and it's mostly due to opioid crisis. At any rate, I fully expect social security benefits to be lowered by 2030 as we are approaching an inflection point in expenditures versus S.S. taxes taken in.
Re:In Aging Singapore, 65-Year-Olds Are Learning How to Code by NotSammyHagar on Sunday September 15, 2019 @12:00PM (#20977802)
Let's make sure social security is around forever, and available for those that actually need it. We can slightly increase taxes and slightly reduce benefits for wealthy people to keep social security working basically forever. I'm fortunate to be a highly compensated engineer. If I'm making say $250k a year, I could pay a little bit more in taxes to help the system be sustainable, and also more likely to be there if I do need it.

Taxes for this benefit are capped at $8,240 or 6.2% of salary up to $132,900 [1]. The reason taxes are capped is because benefits are capped. My company could pay a bit more in payroll taxes and they wouldn't care, they'd love to hire 5 more experienced and well compensated engineers like me. There's a similar issue on social security wages - let's say I accumulate $5 million in assets at retirement, I'm going to be earning a pretty good amount of income even when not working, so you could reduce my social security (maybe via extra taxes?). People grumble about that money, "it's mine, I paid for it my whole career" - and you did pay for it in taxes. But things like social security also serve as a crucial part of our weaker societal safety net in America. I want it to be there for people that need it.

I probably won't need it in retirement, but most people will. If I do lose all my money, or say I wasn't as lucky in my life and was hurt or not able to accumulate so much wealth, I want it to be there - for me and others.

[1] https://smartasset.com/retirement/social-security-tax-limit

Re:In Aging Singapore, 65-Year-Olds Are Learning How to Code by ra1n85 on Sunday September 15, 2019 @04:00PM (#20979184)
>If I'm making say $250k a year, I could pay a little bit more in taxes to help the system be sustainable, and also more likely to be there if I do need it.

I'm all for helping those in need and having a safety net, but I don't think what you're advocating for is a realistic solution. Social security is in trouble because it was mismanaged - increasing taxes to offset the burden of mismanagement is a half solution, and likely only a temporary fix. Social security (as well as a multitude of other things) is in its current state because we Americans lack the necessary systems/skills/policies to manage it properly.

Re:In Aging Singapore, 65-Year-Olds Are Learning How to Code by basementcat on Sunday September 15, 2019 @04:18PM (#20979265)
How is it mismanaged?
Re:In Aging Singapore, 65-Year-Olds Are Learning How to Code by ra1n85 on Sunday September 15, 2019 @04:43PM (#20979382)
-On track to be insolvent by 2034

-Costs already exceed income for trust funds

-Costs will exceed income by 2020 for the entire program

-The OASDI tax rate has been increased 20+ times since Social Security's inception in order to keep the program viable.

Add an inability to even recognize mismanagement.

Re:In Aging Singapore, 65-Year-Olds Are Learning How to Code by NotSammyHagar on Sunday September 15, 2019 @06:55PM (#20979943)
These things all come because our elected american representatives how not put more money into it. For my entire life every year there has been a report that they needed to put a bit more in and although there have been small amounts it has never been enough added. Calling this mismanagement of the program is not accurate because it suggests that the money was somehow lost or misinvested by the leaders of the program somehow. The senators and representatives in congress didn't put the right amount of money in it to match the payouts they set.
Re:In Aging Singapore, 65-Year-Olds Are Learning How to Code by basementcat on Sunday September 15, 2019 @06:00PM (#20979728)
All of these points have been known for some time and were actually "designed into" Social Security reform legislation that was enacted in the 1980's. The American people (through their elected representatives) have chosen to indefinitely postpone additional reform that may address some of your criticisms.

Therefore it seems to me that the civil servants running Social Security have been doing exactly what they were expected to do so it still isn’t clear to me how they're mismanaging it.

Re:In Aging Singapore, 65-Year-Olds Are Learning How to Code by wisty on Sunday September 15, 2019 @04:47PM (#20979407)
One example - Medicare is insanely expensive. IIRC the US government spends more on healthcare than Canada (adjusted for population etc) due to the huge costs of the most expensive clients (old people) getting "free" gold-plated private healthcare.
Re:In Aging Singapore, 65-Year-Olds Are Learning How to Code by basementcat on Sunday September 15, 2019 @05:51PM (#20979688)
Social Security != Medicare
Re:In Aging Singapore, 65-Year-Olds Are Learning How to Code by NotSammyHagar on Sunday September 15, 2019 @06:56PM (#20979949)
And the health care is far from gold plated.
Re:In Aging Singapore, 65-Year-Olds Are Learning How to Code by throwaway87378 on Sunday September 15, 2019 @02:37PM (#20978738)
Here are two organizations you can join that advocate for Social Security:

https://socialsecurityworks.org/

https://www.epi.org/ (see https://www.epi.org/research/social-security/)

Re:In Aging Singapore, 65-Year-Olds Are Learning How to Code by tcbawo on Sunday September 15, 2019 @12:28PM (#20977964)
The US has a culture that believes that only suckers pay taxes, the willingness/desire to defer problems to future generations, and the inability to capture meaningful revenue from the extremely small percentage of the population that reaps the lion's share of the benefits of the economy.
Re:In Aging Singapore, 65-Year-Olds Are Learning How to Code by rayiner on Sunday September 15, 2019 @02:05PM (#20978550)
The US gets more tax revenue from rich people than most Western European countries. https://www.economist.com/united-states/2017/11/23/american-... https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2012/02/us-taxe...

> Income taxes in America are more progressive than in other rich countries--according to an authoritiative official study which, to my knowledge, has not been contradicted. The OECD's report "Growing Unequal", on poverty and inequality in industrial countries, includes a table that provides two measures of income tax progressivity in 2005.

US Social Security also pays out more than most Western European countries.

Re:In Aging Singapore, 65-Year-Olds Are Learning How to Code by tcbawo on Sunday September 15, 2019 @02:29PM (#20978692)
The US tax system is regressive by taxing earned income differently than capital gains. It also gives the truly wealthy an opportunity to indefinitely defer or avoid realizing gains. The "progressive" US tax code only targets high income/upper middle class individuals.
Re:In Aging Singapore, 65-Year-Olds Are Learning How to Code by rayiner on Sunday September 15, 2019 @02:53PM (#20978838)
Taxing capital gains differently than income is a regressive element, one the US tax code shares with nearly every other country in the OECD. Overall our capital gains tax rates are on the higher end: https://taxfoundation.org/us-taxpayers-face-6th-highest-top-.... But the overall tax system is progressive.
Re:In Aging Singapore, 65-Year-Olds Are Learning How to Code by maehwasu on Sunday September 15, 2019 @06:08PM (#20979751)
The parent comment made a relative statement (comparison of US to Europe). You responded with an absolute statement (US tax code is not progressive). That’s completely irrelevant to his/her point.
Re:In Aging Singapore, 65-Year-Olds Are Learning How to Code by mr_toad on Sunday September 15, 2019 @09:27PM (#20980456)
> People grumble about that money, "it's mine, I paid for it my whole career" - and you did pay for it in taxes.

In most cases the governments of the day spent all those taxes. And then they borrowed some money and spent that too.

Now the younger generations are paying the piper, while the older generations expect the gravy train to keep chugging along like it’s still 1959.

Re:In Aging Singapore, 65-Year-Olds Are Learning How to Code by arbuge on Sunday September 15, 2019 @12:46PM (#20978103)
> It's blamed on the population living longer, yet the average lifespan has been decreasing recently. The government failed (or ignored) the fairly obvious result of modern medicine making people live longer and did not plan for it

Contradiction.

Re:In Aging Singapore, 65-Year-Olds Are Learning How to Code by fiblye on Sunday September 15, 2019 @05:47PM (#20979674)
You can blame it all on incompetent governments, but that’s taking the easy path.

With endless inflation as a reality, the only way to support retirement is to basically build a pyramid scheme. For every old person who retires, you need multiple young people to work to support them. Seeing as how Singapore’s fertility rate is only about half of the replacement rate, that’s not possible.

The elderly today have a few people falling through the cracks. The elderly 50 years from now will have nothing to their names and no family to support them. They’re truly fucked.

Re:In Aging Singapore, 65-Year-Olds Are Learning How to Code by rayiner on Sunday September 15, 2019 @05:57PM (#20979714)
It has nothing to do with inflation. Retirement savings are capital, but production requires labor. The mechanics of retirement are just a proxy for diverting production from working young people to non-working old people, and that’s true whether you have private retirement savings, tax-funded retirement, or traditional family arrangements where children care for elderly parents. In any of those systems, if the older generation is much bigger than the young generation, you have a problem.
Re:In Aging Singapore, 65-Year-Olds Are Learning How to Code by 9nGQluzmnq3M on Sunday September 15, 2019 @05:27PM (#20979582)
Singaporean pensions are defined contribution: what you put in plus interest is exactly what you get out. So corruption is not the issue, but people falling through the cracks is.