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Re:Ask HN: Are you ok? by caconym_ on Thursday September 12, 2019 @01:58PM (#20954376)
I also get the "waking up" feeling whenever I take more than a few days off, and going back to work feels like a death sentence (not in the judge-pounding-the-gavel sense, more in the it's-later-than-you-think sense).

I don't feel suicidal, but I do feel desperate to waste less of my priceless time on piling up the money so that I can survive and support a family in a society that seems engineered to trap me in this half-living state. Maybe I'm just weak, for not being willing to throw it all away and go live in a barrel up in the mountains.

Re:Ask HN: Are you ok? by anon9001 on Thursday September 12, 2019 @02:13PM (#20954520)
> Maybe I'm just weak, for not being willing to throw it all away and go live in a barrel up in the mountains.

It's unclear to me if this is a weakness or a strength. I don't know which way is up.

Are you a stronger person if you're willing to say fuck it and go do your own thing and not be concerned with things like health care and financial stability?

Or are you a stronger person by steadfastly holding your station at work, because you just barely have enough grit to tough it out?

I can't shake the feeling that making peace with this half-living state as a daily existence is either the greatest achievement or the biggest mistake. So I remain anxious about it and pretend I haven't committed either way, although my resume would show you that I've clearly opted for permanent half-living through continuous employment.

Maybe it's too much to think about and I should go back to fantasizing about a life worth living while another work day ticks by...

Re:Ask HN: Are you ok? by vermilingua on Thursday September 12, 2019 @04:41PM (#20956211)
> I can't shake the feeling that making peace with this half-living state as a daily existence is either the greatest achievement or the biggest mistake.

This really concisely sums up a feeling I haven’t been able to put my finger on for the longest time, thank you.

Re:Ask HN: Are you ok? by croo on Thursday September 12, 2019 @04:08PM (#20955877)
The problem is you can't really choose. As someone with a spouse and kids and possibly other people depending on you (aka your income), the pressure to acquire a monthly payment is astounding. There really is no simple or quick way out of this rat race.
Re:Ask HN: Are you ok? by anon9001 on Thursday September 12, 2019 @04:42PM (#20956217)
I'm trying so hard to get out. I'm single with no plan to have dependents, and a debt-free homeowner. I'm not in a relationship for obvious reasons, but if I was, I guess I'd be limited to FIRE people who don't want children, which isn't a very big pool.

According to the calculators, I still have to put in at least another 10 years and save aggressively before I can quit.

I don't think I'm gonna last that long, and if I do, I don't know if there'll be any of me left to enjoy it.

Re:Ask HN: Are you ok? by qorrect on Thursday September 12, 2019 @05:46PM (#20956807)
Is that for American retirement ?

I absolutely love a tiny island town called Bocas Del Torro, Panama , you can buy a decent house for 50-150K, they use the US dollar, their is a large active expat community. If you're ok with learning Spanish, I'd get the f out before you completely die.

My current plan is to hold this job for as long as I can, then I'm done ( I'm 40 for reference ) - Im going to live as long as the money lasts, have a good time of freedom, then it's goodbye.

Re:Ask HN: Are you ok? by anon9001 on Thursday September 12, 2019 @06:01PM (#20956937)
Yeah it is, based on age and savings and one of those FIRE calculators, and predicted spending based on what I know like house maintenance, food, clothes, etc.

My Spanish is no bueno, but if my job was "learn Spanish", I don't think it'd be a huge problem.

Wouldn't you have to worry about political instability down in Panama? How would health care work? Can I return to the US if I leave? Do I have to give up US citizenship? Would Panama be ok with me working remotely?

There's gotta be some catch besides the choice of language.

Re:Ask HN: Are you ok? by qorrect on Thursday September 12, 2019 @07:04PM (#20957421)
The catch is spotty internet, spotty electricity, no running water ( running water on the main island everywhere else is rainwater collection ), and shitty doctors.

Healthcare is cash only, if you had a serious problem I would recommend going back to the US.

If you spend over 50K for a house you get dual citizenship, you don't give up your US citizenship ( I personally wouldn't move anywhere where you have to give up US citizenship ) , you still pay taxes on any money earned in the US.

It's not a perfect solution at all, you just have to figure out what you value the most.

I will say, I spent 6 months down there, and coming back was hell. Why do we live this way ? The natives their fish out of the ocean for their food, they don't have alarm clocks, they don't have _any_ paperwork, and there some of the happiest people I've ever met. I'd trade my material shit for their freedom most days.

Re:Ask HN: Are you ok? by esolyt on Friday September 13, 2019 @02:03AM (#20959585)
As someone who is not depended on by anyone, I still have to acquire a monthly payment. I don't have a way out of the rat race either.
Re:Ask HN: Are you ok? by xkcd-sucks on Thursday September 12, 2019 @11:26PM (#20958920)
To be fair, there are plenty of destitute people with dependants. Yours can probably stand to lower their material standards