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Re:California Approves Statewide Rent Control by cryptoz on Wednesday September 11, 2019 @08:34PM (#20946322)
I was under the impression that some rents can be increased during the lease. I do not think it is only a renewal event, by law.

> Rent control deters the creation of new housing.

I keep seeing this repeated but I don't understand. Why does rent control deter creation of new housing?

> This reduce in supply raises the price

But you've glossed over why supply is reduced. I don't see any reason that supply would be reduced with basic moderate rent control like this one.

Edit: I have tripped some wire (?) and am not allowed to post any more. In response to the comment below,

> https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https:/...

That seems to be Washington, not California. According to http://www.hrc-la.org/doc.asp?id=36 it seems to read that some leases allow rent increases mid-lease.

Re:California Approves Statewide Rent Control by Litmus2336 on Wednesday September 11, 2019 @08:49PM (#20946427)
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https:/...

I believe you might be thinking of month-to-month, which is not a traditional lease. On all fixed term leases over a month rent cannot be changed during the term of the lease.

Re:California Approves Statewide Rent Control by phil248 on Wednesday September 11, 2019 @09:22PM (#20946693)
Which is an oddly elaborate way of saying that rent increases in California can happen annually.
Re:California Approves Statewide Rent Control by Litmus2336 on Thursday September 12, 2019 @02:03AM (#20948475)
Technically, you can have a lease of any length. I've seen 3 and 6 month leases. I'm sure it's possible to have a 24+ month lease.
Re:California Approves Statewide Rent Control by aianus on Wednesday September 11, 2019 @10:53PM (#20947403)
> Why does rent control deter creation of new housing?

If you have a lot of money and you want to build/buy a rental property, would you do it in a) a growing city with no rent control where your discounted future cash flows are unbounded or b) a city where there is a law placing a ceiling on your returns.

All else being equal, you are going to choose the city without rent control to build your new housing units in (or invest in something other than real estate altogether), thus illustrating how rent control disincentives new investment in housing, and specifically low-income rental housing.

Re:California Approves Statewide Rent Control by 0xB31B1B on Thursday September 12, 2019 @02:17AM (#20948554)
The problem is that this is well a well studied problem and your first principles approach to it gives us the wrong results. Rent control policies like this one (only works on buildings 15 years old or older) do not impact new housing starts.
Re:California Approves Statewide Rent Control by cryptoz on Wednesday September 11, 2019 @11:28PM (#20947644)
I think your illustration has failed, though, because I would very much choose b). I consider a) as an evil in the world and would avoid participating in that if at all possible. b) sounds like a really good choice for long-term investment in in sustainable society.

> All else being equal

Okay but all else is not equal, and in the real world, it is never equal. These thought experiments do nothing to improve conditions in the real world, since they are based on flawed models of how people behave.

Re:California Approves Statewide Rent Control by aianus on Wednesday September 11, 2019 @11:35PM (#20947680)
> Okay but all else is not equal, and in the real world, it is never equal. These thought experiments do nothing to improve conditions in the real world, since they are based on flawed models of how people behave.

By that logic, nothing affects anything else and we should all give up trying to think or plan.

Re:California Approves Statewide Rent Control by cryptoz on Thursday September 12, 2019 @12:08AM (#20947866)
I don't agree. We know that people are not 'rational actors' that maximize personal profit at every turn, and we should not base our economics around that known false idea.

I think it is wise to produce better models with new information - not to ignore everything or to knowingly use false models. People do not - and should not - act according to those 'rational' ideas of maximum profit.