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Re:Update on AB5 by JMTQp8lwXL on Wednesday September 11, 2019 @05:16PM (#20944810)
I don't think we can be certain that displaced drivers won't find other opportunities. I imagine most of the appeal is the low friction to entering rideshare driving vs. traditional employment (fast food chains, etc). The talking point that people are somehow skilled enough for rideshare driving, yet not other low-skill work, seems to me like a talking point to have discouraged AB5 from happening. I question the factuality of the statement.
Re:Update on AB5 by stickfigure on Wednesday September 11, 2019 @05:30PM (#20944947)
This seems like a weird statement. The people driving for Uber presumably looked at their options and decided to drive instead of apply to fast food chains. If they wanted to work in fast food, they could have?

Maybe I misunderstand, but what you're saying sounds vaguely like "I know what's better for you".

Re:Update on AB5 by JMTQp8lwXL on Wednesday September 11, 2019 @05:34PM (#20944986)
What I am saying is, misplaced workers (if Uber does indeed become subject to AB5 and they must be employees) is these folks will find other work. The related point is these people are fully capable of that work.

Finding new work can be painful, but the damages are over-stated because there's low friction to entering work that doesn't demand specialized skills. Do you have two hands and can walk? Great, you can work the french fry fryer at McD's.

Re:Update on AB5 by cactus2093 on Wednesday September 11, 2019 @05:47PM (#20945090)
But how is it better for the world if all of these Uber drivers, who clearly prefer driving for Uber to McD's, are forced to work at McD's instead?
Re:Update on AB5 by azylman on Wednesday September 11, 2019 @06:53PM (#20945676)
You're assuming there's unlimited demand for employees by McD's... which, in point of fact, is absolutely not the case.
Re:Update on AB5 by JMTQp8lwXL on Wednesday September 11, 2019 @07:09PM (#20945766)
It was a single example of a low-skilled job. The generalized point is that you can go to any employer looking for low-skilled labor. There's high transferability between these sort of jobs.
Re:Update on AB5 by azylman on Wednesday September 11, 2019 @07:14PM (#20945799)
My point was that there's not an unlimited supply of low-skilled jobs. The fact that if you're qualified for one, you're qualified for another isn't really relevant when they can be very hard to find in some areas.
Re:Update on AB5 by JMTQp8lwXL on Wednesday September 11, 2019 @07:19PM (#20945828)
There's been a bifurcation in employment: high-skilled and low-skilled employees are most in demand. The service industry is hurting for people. Hotels, restaurants, fast food places, etc. In fact, the NYTimes recent wrote about the hotel industry:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/09/travel/hotel-jobs.html

Re:Update on AB5 by stickfigure on Wednesday September 11, 2019 @10:11PM (#20947094)
Doesn't the worker get some say in this?

I, for one, would much rather drive for Uber than run a fryer. To the point of willing to take a significant pay cut to avoid the fast food industry.

Re:Update on AB5 by JMTQp8lwXL on Thursday September 12, 2019 @01:00AM (#20948156)
You still have a choice where to work. Why do you think AB5 takes that away?
Re:Update on AB5 by kinkrtyavimoodh on Thursday September 12, 2019 @02:42AM (#20948673)
It takes that away with Uber stops "hiring" me because now I am too costly to have because AB5 makes me their employee.
Re:Update on AB5 by JMTQp8lwXL on Thursday September 12, 2019 @08:20AM (#20950570)
Whether or not it's profitable for Uber or any business to hire you, is that business' decision. It's not yours to make. And there is no evidence that ridesharing companies cannot afford to pay drivers more. What if prices go up 20-30% and the level of service stays exactly the same? Then it was a silly concern with no basis in reality. I don't think evidence shows that Uber will immediately fire all drivers if they must be classified as employees.
Re:Update on AB5 by stickfigure on Thursday September 12, 2019 @11:24AM (#20952518)
Do you genuinely believe that this change will have no effect on the market? That the number of people driving will be the same? That everyone will just be able to continue to drive for Uber/Lyft, on the same schedule that they currently do, but make 20-30% more?

I know that the answer is "no" since you've already said "they can just go work a fast food fryer". But that's hard to reconcile with this last statement of yours.

Re:Update on AB5 by azylman on Wednesday September 11, 2019 @07:23PM (#20945850)
This is an interesting read about the hotel industry. I don't think it disproves the idea though that there are people who want to low-skilled jobs who can't find them. For instance, from that article:

"The popular Mackinac Island in northern Michigan has only 500 year-round residents but approximately 3,000 jobs in the summer months. Delays on the approval for seasonal worker visas this year forced one resort to temporarily close its restaurant."

When it's their "season", they're probably hurting for staff, but when it's not, all those thousands of people are out of work and need to try to find a new job...

Re:Update on AB5 by chillacy on Wednesday September 11, 2019 @11:56PM (#20947807)
I have fully employed friends who have driven uber during moments when they needed more cash, who would not have gone through hoops to work a second formal job.
Re:Update on AB5 by JMTQp8lwXL on Thursday September 12, 2019 @01:01AM (#20948166)
But if they really needed the money, they would've gone through the hoops. Making rent and have food to eat tends to motivate people.