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Re:Turn off DoH, Firefox by jamespo on Wednesday September 11, 2019 @08:38AM (#20939381)
Corporations concerned about that should be blocking DoH anyway
Re:Turn off DoH, Firefox by cremp on Wednesday September 11, 2019 @08:51AM (#20939494)
How can you block it, if the browser itself is doing the communication, over https no-less?

DoH was made to stop censorship, which includes blocking; if you could just block it, then whats the point of DoH?

Re:Turn off DoH, Firefox by profmonocle on Thursday September 12, 2019 @12:44AM (#20948074)
DoH uses regular DNS to get the IP address of the DoH server. So they could just block queries for the most popular DoH servers.
Re:Turn off DoH, Firefox by isostatic on Wednesday September 11, 2019 @08:46AM (#20939454)
Any device at home an go to http://nas and get on my nas, "http://desktop", "http://router", and "http://shed" and get on those.

How does that work in this bold new future? I'll have to register a domain name and add a bunch of A records for 192.168.0.1, but then it still won't work -- I'll have to do "http://desktop.mydomain.com".

Worse, while going to "shed" will work in chrome, it will fail in firefox. My guest network captive portal may well break too if someone visits with firefox.

Re:Turn off DoH, Firefox by roelschroeven on Thursday September 12, 2019 @07:26AM (#20950221)
I don't know why you're downvoted, because that is a very good question.

What you have to do is add an entry in your local nameserver for domain use-application-dns.net and set it to NXDOMAIN. See https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/configuring-networks-di....

Hopefully Google will use the same method for disabling DoH in Chrome. But I won't be surprised if they're going to force DoH even harder, and make it even more difficult to turn off.

Re:Turn off DoH, Firefox by Gaelan on Wednesday September 11, 2019 @05:29PM (#20944940)
Firefox claims they will detect this situation and disable DoH.
Re:Turn off DoH, Firefox by Tharkun on Thursday September 12, 2019 @03:08AM (#20948799)
Detect it, how? By forwarding the request to a local resolver after DoH fails, and thus leaking information?
Re:Turn off DoH, Firefox by ripdog on Thursday September 12, 2019 @07:05AM (#20950105)
Do you... really care if someone outside you network knows the domain you chose for an internal network service?

That's not sensitive information. Also, there's basically no way for cloudflare, even if they were being malicious about it, to collect and use that information. What would they do with it?

Re:Turn off DoH, Firefox by Tharkun on Thursday September 12, 2019 @01:58PM (#20954375)
Yes, I care. Why don't you? I work for Tier 1 banks. They are paranoid, and rightly so. One of their many paranoid rules is that hostnames can never betray the machine's purpose. You could easily analyze DoH stats and deduce certain machines' functions.

Leaking information is bad.

Re:Turn off DoH, Firefox by userbinator on Thursday September 12, 2019 @07:35AM (#20950282)
It's definitely sensitive information --- useful for attackers to find out the structure of the LAN.