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Re:Turn off DoH, Firefox by jamespo on Wednesday September 11, 2019 @08:32AM (#20939333)
you too have ignored "it's trivial to change your DoH provider"
Re:Turn off DoH, Firefox by simias on Wednesday September 11, 2019 @08:46AM (#20939455)
The average internet user probably has no idea what DNS or HTTPS are, let alone DoH (which even I as a technical user had forgotten existed before I read this post). Defaults matter a whole lot. I haven't formed a definitive opinion on DoH but either way saying "you can configure it so it doesn't matter" is not reasonable in my opinion.
Re:Turn off DoH, Firefox by avmich on Wednesday September 11, 2019 @11:18PM (#20947584)
It's interesting that when Russia started blocking access to some popular websites a few years ago, the instructions for installation of VPN were found in all places. The case - then, for example, attempts to block Telegram servers lead to unexpected unblocking some forbidden sites, like kasparov.ru - shows how some networking skills can be grown en masse in a short period of time.

So, yes, average Internet user isn't very familiar with DNS. Maybe privacy wars will lead to growing awareness in this area though.

Re:Turn off DoH, Firefox by stakhanov on Wednesday September 11, 2019 @08:45AM (#20939443)
It's actually not, or am I somehow missing that this is a feature that Mozilla has announced as part of this move? Users who are not technical powerusers will not understand the real security implications of "Enable DNS over HTTPS", and right now I can't find a setting to change the provider anywhere in the settings dialogue, and about:config and enterprise policies are not something that regular users mess with.
Re:Turn off DoH, Firefox by DHPersonal on Wednesday September 11, 2019 @08:59AM (#20939585)
It's in Options/Preferences > Network Settings > Settings, scroll to the bottom and select Custom from the Use Provider dropdown. I added AdGuard's DNS over HTTPS address. https://dns.adguard.com/dns-query
Re:Turn off DoH, Firefox by stakhanov on Wednesday September 11, 2019 @09:14AM (#20939755)
Haha. Okay: Actually didn't see it because that one line landed below the fold on my resolution (960px height, fixed taskbar on Windows). Rookie mistake. But also bad UI design if this is actually something that's important and that users should pay attention to.

But.

(1) There is no informed consent happening here, highlighting to a user, say in Europe, that this would lead to a U.S.-regulated entity knowing a lot about their browsing history. Regular users can't be expected to understand that that is what this setting implies but will think of "DNS over HTTPS" as technical mumbo jumbo that they don't need to pay attention to and that they should keep at default.

(2) The dropdown doesn't have any options besides Cloudflare. In order to use the "Other" option, the user would have to research URLs of providers on the Web, which seems like so much friction that few people will do this.

Re:Turn off DoH, Firefox by tialaramex on Thursday September 12, 2019 @03:43AM (#20949003)
The dropdown in (2) doesn't have any other options because of the thing you're worried about in (1). Mozilla seeks specifically to contract with DoH operators to secure the operator's consent to protect their users and never do most of the things you're worried they might do.

They do NOT want the list to go:

Cloudflare

Sketchy Valley Company with six months runway and no clear plan how to make a profit

The Actual Mob, really

Google

Great Britain's Ministry of Truth

Russian Media Company owned by Vladimir Putin

And then have news sites going "Why are all these obviously untrustworthy folks listed?" when the answer would be "Oh we heard that people didn't like the short list of actually trustworthy providers so we added all the other ones that we don't trust too!"

Re:Turn off DoH, Firefox by stakhanov on Friday September 13, 2019 @07:25AM (#20961084)
In a very long-winded and theatrical way you are making the point that you believe that there are no credible alternatives out there. I believe there are. I believe that, as soon as any company puts their HQ and their servers in Europe they have a credibility-advantage over cloudflare right there on the legal front and on regulatory oversight.

I also don't believe that Mozilla has the ability to greatly influence the way Cloudflare would run their service, given that they're probably not paying a lot (or anything at all; don't know the particulars), and are unlikely to be a major component of Cloudflare's revenue. Cloudflare has much more to lose by picking a fight with the U.S. government (think government surveillance) or by pissing off major advertising networks and media corporations (think surveillance capitalism) who make up the lion's share of their revenue on Cloudflare's core webcaching business.

Re:Turn off DoH, Firefox by m-p-3 on Wednesday September 11, 2019 @09:06AM (#20939667)
But it is actually easy to change.

https://i.imgur.com/GuP5a8F.png

Re:Turn off DoH, Firefox by cassianoleal on Wednesday September 11, 2019 @09:04AM (#20939631)
Open settings and search for DNS. There will be a single button for you to click and "Enable DNS over HTTPS" is at the bottom.