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Re:How Apple's Apps Topped Rivals in the App Store It Controls by coldtea on Monday September 09, 2019 @10:10AM (#20918315)
>Apple's apps come preinstalled on every iPhone.

Whose apps should have come preinstalled on iPhones? Samsungs? No apps, let the user install everything from scratch?

The whole value proposition from Apple is that you get something that "Just works".

It might have issues and bugs, like everything has, but the idea behind "just works" => is more or less ready, no fiddling required for the regular Joe.

Re:How Apple's Apps Topped Rivals in the App Store It Controls by panpanna on Monday September 09, 2019 @10:33AM (#20918546)
> Whose apps should have come preinstalled on iPhones?

At Redmond, we believe everyones apps should come pre-installed. Bought a PC for serious work? well f--- you and please enjoy some candy crush!

Re:How Apple's Apps Topped Rivals in the App Store It Controls by iamzozo on Monday September 09, 2019 @10:47AM (#20918677)
I never forget the IE war, when everybody complain about the preinstalled browser. And that time they called "monopolistic practices". At apple, they even don't know what these words mean... /s
Re:How Apple's Apps Topped Rivals in the App Store It Controls by coldtea on Monday September 09, 2019 @11:21AM (#20918974)
>I never forget the IE war, when everybody complain about the preinstalled browser. And that time they called "monopolistic practices"

That's because at that time Microsoft had a monopoly.

>At apple, they even don't know what these words mean... /s

That's because Apple never had a monopoly. Their market share was always on the low 10% (desktop), or the mid-40s (mobile).

Re:How Apple's Apps Topped Rivals in the App Store It Controls by iamzozo on Monday September 09, 2019 @11:44AM (#20919201)
So preinstalled software is ok, till your market share is below 50 percent?
Re:How Apple's Apps Topped Rivals in the App Store It Controls by la_barba on Monday September 09, 2019 @12:32PM (#20919668)
Apparently if you market share increases you are no longer allowed to make "just works" products.
Re:How Apple's Apps Topped Rivals in the App Store It Controls by Wowfunhappy on Monday September 09, 2019 @10:38AM (#20918590)
I can understand new iPhones coming with a Camera, Web Browser, etc preinstalled. However, the Apple Watch app (for instance) really doesn't need to be there.

Permissions are the bigger issue, though.

Re:How Apple's Apps Topped Rivals in the App Store It Controls by nismoskyz on Monday September 09, 2019 @04:21PM (#20922031)
Agree with this wholeheartedly. What's considered "basic functionality" should be present on the phone.

Pixel 3 lacks a basic pre-installed app which iOS includes: Voice Notes/Recorder. Scouring the Play store for a simple functionality like this seems silly, and it made me appreciate that Apple's pre-installed kit includes this staple feature.

Scrolling a dozen entries to find an alternate Podcast app, however. That's a joke.

While the pre-installed option is a convenience, it should be much easier to find an alternative, when desired.