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Re:What if we stopped pretending the climate apocalypse can ... by antiutopian on Sunday September 08, 2019 @02:35PM (#20912413)
There are measures we can take against climate change, they just go against the structural needs of the capitalist system. If governments continue to put the continuation of the system above the needs of the environment, then of course we won't see serious action. The author accepts that this is a permanent state of affairs and attributes it incorrectly to "human nature" when in reality it reflects the present weakness of the anti-capitalist movement. There is hope, but it's not in liberal politicians and eco startups, and I get why you'd be hopeless if that's where you're looking for change to come from.
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Re:What if we stopped pretending the climate apocalypse can ... by faissaloo on Sunday September 08, 2019 @03:12PM (#20912690)
You're not going to be able to kill capitalism before things go really wrong, modern capitalism still has a stranglehold on us all and it probably won't fall until climate change kicks into high gear and eradicates huge portions of the western population. At least the anprims will be happy.
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Re:What if we stopped pretending the climate apocalypse can ... by perl4ever on Sunday September 08, 2019 @10:20PM (#20914711)
I'm not clear on why people are particularly angry at capitalism. It seems like just a label that allows people to focus on the US fossil fuel industry, as the US is the archetype of capitalism, while vaguely associating all the other major fossil fuel producers with the West/US/capitalism.

Is the reason Russia and KSA are producing fossil fuels because they were infected with a specific ideology? I feel like there's a confusion of cause and effect, like if you blamed evolution on Darwinism.

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Re:What if we stopped pretending the climate apocalypse can ... by faissaloo on Wednesday September 11, 2019 @01:09PM (#20942384)
Modern capitalism puts itself at the center of society and greatly punishes anything that attempts to draw people away from holding capital gain as being the epitome of self-interest. Yes, Russia and the KSA do indeed bend to the will of capitalism, with varying degrees of resistance. If people were not rewarded for this behavior it would not continue.
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Re:What if we stopped pretending the climate apocalypse can ... by perl4ever on Wednesday September 11, 2019 @10:29PM (#20947232)
"Modern capitalism puts itself at the center of society"

Does it insist upon itself?

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Re:What if we stopped pretending the climate apocalypse can ... by faissaloo on Thursday September 12, 2019 @12:36PM (#20953470)
It's moreso that too many people with too much control over resources insist on it.
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