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Re:Ask HN: What Have You Learned at Google as a Software Eng... by bt848 on Sunday September 08, 2019 @01:56PM (#20912111)
At Google there’s an IC ladder from level 3 (new grads) to 11 (Jeff and Sanjay). Basically it’s a pay scale. Half of engineers are below 5, and 90% are below 6.

Edit: pretty sure I was off by one originally. But you get the idea: it’s a triangular organization with a lot of people at the base.

Re:Ask HN: What Have You Learned at Google as a Software Eng... by zuhayeer on Sunday September 08, 2019 @02:10PM (#20912224)
For pay ranges check out some charts we’ve compiled at http://levels.fyi/charts.html
Re:Ask HN: What Have You Learned at Google as a Software Eng... by generatorguy on Sunday September 08, 2019 @02:48PM (#20912519)
I decided to focus on power engineering instead of software in the mid 2000s since I thought a lot of software jobs would be offshored. Big mistake in terms of compensation!!
Re:Ask HN: What Have You Learned at Google as a Software Eng... by skizm on Sunday September 08, 2019 @01:58PM (#20912135)
Ah, okay. Pay scale, got it. Yea we have similar. Just no actual titles.
Re:Ask HN: What Have You Learned at Google as a Software Eng... by dvirsky on Sunday September 08, 2019 @02:05PM (#20912193)
It's not just about pay, it's also about scope and expectations.
Re:Ask HN: What Have You Learned at Google as a Software Eng... by bt848 on Sunday September 08, 2019 @02:28PM (#20912366)
Sort of. I didn’t mention it because level doesn’t really limit your scope. If you have a way to make a big impact nobody is going to tell you to not do it because you’re too junior. It’s just that the higher levels are expected to operate at company-wide scope all the time.

You can hide your level such that other people don’t see it, which is another difference between Google and my current company where people introduce each other by their titles, which makes me want to quit every time. Nobody at Google has ever said “And now I’d like to turn the meeting over to Principal Engineer Jane Doe”. Most people don’t mention it.

Re:Ask HN: What Have You Learned at Google as a Software Eng... by dvirsky on Sunday September 08, 2019 @05:13PM (#20913452)
I've heard the phrase "well, a T7 said otherwise, who am I to argue" and similar from people.
Re:Ask HN: What Have You Learned at Google as a Software Eng... by bt848 on Sunday September 08, 2019 @06:44PM (#20913864)
It’s up to each individual to make the most of an environment where the utterances of senior engineers are just advice. You don’t need their permission.
Re:Ask HN: What Have You Learned at Google as a Software Eng... by dvirsky on Monday September 09, 2019 @06:45AM (#20916929)
Of course not, I'm just saying it _is_ part of the current culture to assign hierarchy to levels, probably more so with younger/more junior people. Hierarchy tends to look flat looking down.