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Re:High-flying geese are ‘the astronauts of the bird world’ by tim333 on Sunday September 08, 2019 @12:31PM (#20911527)
I think your numbers are a bit off

>At 26000ft, the standard barometric pressure is 38 kPa (287 mmHg). This means that there is 38% of the oxygen available at sea level. (from https://baillielab.net/critical_care/air_pressure/)

I camped a night above 26000ft without supplemental oxygen (it packed up) and was ok but definitely a bit knackered the next day.

Re:High-flying geese are ‘the astronauts of the bird world’ by parsimo2010 on Sunday September 08, 2019 @02:22PM (#20912323)
In my defense of the inaccurate numbers, I calculated it using a rule of thumb I know as a pilot and the numbers are accurate per the rule, and I didn't look at any other tables. To quote myself, "Obviously this rule of thumb gets less accurate at high altitudes, but it’s not supposed to be perfect." In particular, as you go higher, there is less atmosphere pressing down and the decrease gets smaller, so your quoted numbers are likely accurate.

Regarding you spending a night above 26k ft, I guarantee that you were in nearly peak condition, trained for that hike, and spent time at high altitude getting acclimated (or you live at high altitude and were acclimated unconsciously). Even then, most trained hikers at 26k ft can only sustain a walking pace for a length of time. These geese retain enough aerobic power to maintain flight at that altitude. Saying that you were a "bit knackered" the next day is not recognizing how close to the edge your body was- did you measure your oxygen saturation levels and would you care to share them so that everyone can see that you calling yourself a "bit knackered" had you well into the clinical range for hypoxemia, and every doctor in the world would tell you come back down the mountain?

While not everyone will die, the zone above 26k ft is literally called the death zone. The lack of oxygen is like a poison, every body handles a different amount, but 26k ft is certainly high enough to say it "kills humans." People have survived cobra bites as well, but most people agree that cobra venom is lethal.

Re:High-flying geese are ‘the astronauts of the bird world’ by LolWolf on Sunday September 08, 2019 @01:37PM (#20911986)
Where did you camp at >26k feet? I was pretty wrecked “sleeping” at 13k feet—mostly tossed and turned the whole night—and then climbing to 15k. Can’t imagine sleeping at 26k!