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Re:The Spaceline: a space elevator alternative achievable wi... by gene-h on Friday September 06, 2019 @01:17PM (#20897565)
TL;DR we can stretch a really long piece of fishing line from the Moon's surface to geostationary orbit. And we can probably send payloads to the moon by docking with said cable in geostationary orbit too. The funny thing is I literally mean fishing line here, they call for using a constant cross section cable made of zylon or dyneema with a diameter of about 0.35 mm. At least initially. Both dyneema and zylon with this about this diameter are sold as fishing line. Initial payload to/from moon seems a bit low as the line at the Moon end can only support 100 kg. The dynamics of such a thin, flexible cable which passes through an unstable(!!!) lagrange point should be interesting. We know that very long space tethers can behave in weird ways[0]. This idea is crazy and attractive enough that it warrants further investigation to at the least find out what the problems are so other people don't make the same mistake. [0]https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/6aff/70794d94b8979d0c5a67ff...
Re:The Spaceline: a space elevator alternative achievable wi... by pavel_lishin on Friday September 06, 2019 @02:46PM (#20898570)
> Initial payload to/from moon seems a bit low as the line at the Moon end can only support 100 kg.

But on the Earth-side, it can support up to 2000kg! And launching from the Moon is cheaper, anyway, since it's a less massive object than the Earth, and there's no atmosphere to deal with.

Re:The Spaceline: a space elevator alternative achievable wi... by hanniabu on Friday September 06, 2019 @04:37PM (#20899657)
That's interesting, I wonder if they meant 100 Earth kilograms or 100 moon kilograms.

Edit: On 2nd thought they are probably using kg in terms of mass, not weight.

Re:The Spaceline: a space elevator alternative achievable wi... by db48x on Saturday September 07, 2019 @09:28AM (#20903634)
Grams are always mass, never weight.
Re:The Spaceline: a space elevator alternative achievable wi... by monomyth on Friday September 06, 2019 @04:45PM (#20899725)
I am not sure what's more exciting: passage through an unstable Lagrange point, or effects of a solar wind on the massive area of such cable.
Re:The Spaceline: a space elevator alternative achievable wi... by Pfhreak on Friday September 06, 2019 @05:49PM (#20900228)
> TL;DR we can stretch a really long piece of fishing line from the Moon's surface to geostationary orbit

To the height of geostationary orbit. The actual endpoint wouldn't be geostationary, as the moon orbits the Earth, it'd be pretty difficult to keep one end of a line in a stable spot above the earth's surface.