Always grateful for someone sharing their experience. I think by "knew" I meant live with, as one would live with a pet dog or a cat. I see them every day, I get to know their personality at a level that I understand when they're suffering, and how much they understand doesn't matter to me. I would feel devastated if someone were to take them away from me and unfeelingly exploit them. I'm not vegan, but I guess I'm boohooing participant.