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Re:Why Index Funds Are Like Subprime CDOs by peteretep on Wednesday September 04, 2019 @06:09PM (#20881905)
> At some point, no one is left to figure out which cookies are tasty vs meh

Except that there’s a lot of money to be made by figuring out which cookies are winners, and buying them cheaply to sell to the passive investors.

Re:Why Index Funds Are Like Subprime CDOs by ISL on Wednesday September 04, 2019 @09:57PM (#20883221)
A merit of the passive approach is that the act of buying tasty cookies will increase the tasty-cookie price. The passive investors' existing tasty-cookie holdings will increase in value, too.

All the passive investors want is for their cookies (and new-cookie acquisitions) to be properly priced. No matter what, they have an average distribution of cookie-quality in their holdings.

The passive investors are not buying cookies at any price other than the market price. Whatever the clever-cookie-buyer is paying for cookies, they're paying the same. If a clever-cookie-buyer buys low, takes out an ad in Cookie Magazine, and sells high to a bunch of tasty-cookie aficionados, the passive investors win, too. If a too-clever-cookie buyer buys low and discovers that the apparently-tasty cookies have spoiled, the passive investors lose a little, too.

It is hard to bilk a passive investor. The first people to really figure out how will accumulate a lot of money (and ire).

Re:Why Index Funds Are Like Subprime CDOs by peteretep on Thursday September 05, 2019 @08:13PM (#20891823)
This is confused

> All the passive investors want is for their cookies (and new-cookie acquisitions) to be properly priced.

No, they want the cookies they purchase to be under-priced, and consumed once their price has gone up. The cookie analogy fails here, but passive investors are exclusively seeking return, not an efficient market.

> No matter what, they have an average distribution of cookie-quality in their holdings.

That's not how passive investing works. The classic model is investment in an index -- say the FTSE 100 -- which attempts instead to maximize the quality of holdings, not the most accurately priced.

> It is hard to bilk a passive investor

Yes, but that doesn't mean it's hard to make money off one.

Re:Why Index Funds Are Like Subprime CDOs by riazrizvi on Thursday September 05, 2019 @08:04PM (#20891770)
In theory. In practice the people who can control market pricing can force out even passive investors because passive investors still get valuation reports albeit on a less timely basis. Burry almost lost his shirt shorting sub-prime credit, as Morganchase and Goldmans mispriced his derivatives more and more egregiously as the market moved in Burry’s favor in a bid to get his investors to force him out of his/their positions using ignorant fear. Passive investors are generally not market savvy, that’s why they are passive.