Re:Hong Kong leader to announce formal withdrawal of extradi...
by mikeash on Wednesday September 04, 2019 @02:29PM
(#20880053)
That quote is vague fluff, not “practical consequences.” What actual change was brought about by those protests? As far as I can see, there was none: no democratization or other political liberalization happened, just a bunch of dead or disappeared people.
Re:Hong Kong leader to announce formal withdrawal of extradi...
by justicezyx on Wednesday September 04, 2019 @03:35PM
(#20880651)
> it remains largely invisible to the people
No, it's certainly not visible to the people. If you are talking about Chinese people, not HK people.
CCP is still grappling with it.
Quote "As foundational as the crackdown at Tiananmen may have been to the CCP’s current strength, it remains largely invisible to the people. Despite claiming the moral high ground against what it calls a “counter-revolutionary” rebellion, the Party is still sensitive to the fact that its slaughter of students and laborers put a stain on its legitimacy."
https://www.google.com/amp/s/time.com/5600363/china-tiananme...
Sorry, but you can't just burry a massacre, especially if it's been well documented.
> Does that mean that all protests are successful by definition when you look at a long enough timeline?
They may also look like separate events on the timeline, but still part of the same overall movement. Change doesn't happen overnight.