How so? I think the overall point of my post is clear, and consistent: I am a big fan of ORM's, won't be giving them up because some blogger-guy wrote another "ORM's are evil" post, and find them very useful for almost all of the things I do with databases. But the "almost" there is the key word. So, again, use the right tool for the job. Sometimes, in my experience, it is an ORM like Hibernate, other times something else makes sense. For example, I do some work with Redash for creating dashboards, and in that environment, you're working with SQL directly. shrug