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Re:Hong Kong leader to announce formal withdrawal of extradi... by ackbar03 on Wednesday September 04, 2019 @05:35AM (#20875464)
Third and Fourth are ridiculous. I'm sorry but you don't set things on fire on the streets, bite people's finger off, throw petrol bombs, tie up people at the airport and say hey guys please grant amnesty, this wasn't a riot. Please grow up and take responsibility. If you choose to make those actions you take the consequences for them.

Fifth, I can understand and dialogue can start and bickering in legislation, whatever, depending on definition this is achievable, but if you expect a democracy overnight then I have a strong urge to post a link to a music video.

Hense, as per my comments below, demanding all five demands to be satisfied is not constructive and to some degree immature.

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Re:Hong Kong leader to announce formal withdrawal of extradi... by indymike on Wednesday September 04, 2019 @06:56AM (#20875890)
It is not an amnesty. It is a necessary condition for a return to peace. There is zero incentive to stop for the protesters if they are going to be jailed for protesting. The alternative is an ever escalating oppression-protest cycle.
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Re:Hong Kong leader to announce formal withdrawal of extradi... by poukofiru on Wednesday September 04, 2019 @08:30AM (#20876493)
The incentive is to avoid the PRC Army.
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Re:Hong Kong leader to announce formal withdrawal of extradi... by somebodythere on Wednesday September 04, 2019 @11:49AM (#20878342)
I believe this was covered by

> The alternative is an ever escalating oppression-protest cycle.

Anyway, I don't believe recreating June 4 is a wise move for PRC at this time. The whole world is watching.

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Re:Hong Kong leader to announce formal withdrawal of extradi... by kenneth on Wednesday September 04, 2019 @08:31AM (#20876499)
There's an unequal power dynamic. There's been excessive aggression on both sides. There are many example of the police using far excessive force, of shooting tear gas in MTR stations, of terrorizing innocent bystanders when going after protesters.

If the protestors are prosecuted for what they did, but the police get to walk away, it's unacceptable to them. They won't accept it.

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Re:Hong Kong leader to announce formal withdrawal of extradi... by anonnyj on Wednesday September 04, 2019 @05:50AM (#20875531)
You have to rember that numerous people have been outed as false flaggers.
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Re:Hong Kong leader to announce formal withdrawal of extradi... by gwathk on Wednesday September 04, 2019 @11:08AM (#20877859)
You do list quite a few allegations against protestors. Let me remind you that the level of police brutality is unprecedented during this 86 days.[1] All these events have made meeting the five demands becoming the least HKSAR govt. aka CCP can do to calm the society down. Asking Hongkongers to take it as is now is not constructive and to some degree immature. I urge the govt please grow up and take responsibility.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegations_of_Hong_Kong_Polic...

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Re:Hong Kong leader to announce formal withdrawal of extradi... by nailer on Wednesday September 04, 2019 @05:46AM (#20875513)
You're correct, assault is assault and should be punished. Incidentally, most of the more intense violence I've witnessed has been from the HK police: a quick selection from the front page of https://www.reddit.com/r/HongKong/

- https://www.reddit.com/r/HongKong/comments/cz2dba/hong_kong_...

- https://www.reddit.com/r/HongKong/comments/czgvb7/emily_lau_...

- https://www.reddit.com/r/HongKong/comments/cz93rd/suspected_...

- https://www.reddit.com/r/HongKong/comments/cz797d/man_punche...

- https://www.reddit.com/r/HongKong/comments/cz4fjm/why_contin...

But categorizing 2 million people who participated in the protests (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-48656471) as rioters is ridiculous.

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Re:Hong Kong leader to announce formal withdrawal of extradi... by derukopi on Wednesday September 04, 2019 @08:42AM (#20876603)
Just FYI, both Reuters and CNN dispute the 2 million number, as some of the photos were manipulated,

- https://www.reuters.com/article/us-hongkong-extradition-back...

- https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/19/asia/viral-photo-hong-kong-pr...

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Re:Hong Kong leader to announce formal withdrawal of extradi... by y2kenny on Wednesday September 04, 2019 @11:56AM (#20878437)
That's not what you links said. Would you like to correct your assertion?
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