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Re:Android 10 by Mindwipe on Wednesday September 04, 2019 @03:06AM (#20874678)
Err, WhatsApp does use phone numbers as identifiers rather than service profiles, which is why it is ubiquitous in most of the world (much more than iMessage).
Re:Android 10 by kbenson on Wednesday September 04, 2019 @03:15AM (#20874734)
If you install WhatsApp and I don't, and you send a message to my number what happens? I know what happens with SMS and RCS (which falls back to SMS), which is that it works, because every phone has it. If WhatsApp doesn't just work, then it's at a severe disadvantage any way you look at it.

Coordinating the 10 people in my family group to not only install a new app, but choose it the next time they want to send a message (especially if they add a new person) is not to going to be easy (and in some cases might be impossible if some people refuse).

Re:Android 10 by Mindwipe on Wednesday September 04, 2019 @05:17AM (#20875378)
> If you install WhatsApp and I don't, and you send a message to my number what happens?

You can't, WhatsApp will only let you send to numbers that also have WhatsApp installed.

There's an "invite friends" sharesheet that will send a signup URL, but that's it.

> If WhatsApp doesn't just work, then it's at a severe disadvantage any way you look at it.

Ultimately WhatsApp has won in most of the world, so this clearly isn't that big of a problem.

Re:Android 10 by kbenson on Wednesday September 04, 2019 @12:02PM (#20878495)
> You can't, WhatsApp will only let you send to numbers that also have WhatsApp installed.

That's my point. It's a very substandard experience for initial contact to SMS, which is ubiquitous.

> Ultimately WhatsApp has won in most of the world, so this clearly isn't that big of a problem.

Compared to SMS, WhatsApp is almost nothing. And given that maybe 2-3 people in my family group might have it installed, "won most of the world" is irrelevant for me, and probably most groups of any size or with people over 30, as there's likely to be a few people without it.

Re:Android 10 by llampx on Sunday September 08, 2019 @03:42AM (#20909130)
You're coming from an American perspective. In the rest of the world, the battle has been fought and WhatsApp is the winner.

For better or for worse.