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Re:Android 10 by readams on Tuesday September 03, 2019 @12:55PM (#20868536)
Note that "true black" saves almost no additional power on an OLED vs a dark grey.
Re:Android 10 by Someone1234 on Tuesday September 03, 2019 @01:09PM (#20868691)
Indeed. But it does look nicer/work better for what black themes are actually good at: Using at night.

So while the additional battery savings between "true black" and grey are within the margin of error, the battery benefits remain for both and the non-battery benefits remain for our eyes.

Re:Android 10 by kec on Tuesday September 03, 2019 @02:39PM (#20869698)
True black looks nicer in the same way that oversaturated TVs look "nicer" in the showroom: it's great for grabbing your attention, but a pretty crap experience in the long run.

White on True black UI has way too much contrast and is much more fatiguing than white on dark gray.

Re:Android 10 by xbkingx on Tuesday September 03, 2019 @05:51PM (#20871561)
Eh, I don't agree at all. Maybe that's the case if you don't use adaptive brightness and your whites are max intensity. I prefer a dark theme I can use all day and let the brightness setting modulate the contrast. That way, direct sunlight kicks in the high contrast capability to make the theme usable during the day (which destroys these gray "dark" themes), while dropping the overall contrast ratio to something similar to these gray themes and emitting less light overall at night.

Pure black doesn't feel like I'm looking at a box light and makes transitions between text and media much more consistent. I end up futzing with the brightness for mixed media (like embedded videos or images) far more when using a gray dark theme, since the true brightness will be much more intense for "media white" than "text white", and the perceived brightness between them will be even higher than that.

Dark themes used to be about practicality and health. Current gray dark themes seem to be born from poor contrast ratio LCD limitations and justification for the aesthetics around the old Holo theme. As someone that has religiously converted their most common sites to dark themes with custom CSS (a few hundred as of now), gray on gray themes feel foggy and I only use light-but-still-dark gray backgrounds on sites that change frequently so I can see if there's a new text element that needs to be styled.

(But, I'm probably in the minority. I also drop font sizes to reasonable levels, delete rounded corners on elements, and remove the miles of whitespace from sites unwilling to accept that a two paragraph "story" isn't worthy of the engagement metrics they get by wasting the reader's time scrolling.)

Re:Android 10 by selectodude on Tuesday September 03, 2019 @02:47PM (#20869796)
Not to mention OLEDs don’t turn completely off and on very quickly so you get a lot of smearing on full black screens. Gives me a headache.
Re:Android 10 by burtonator on Tuesday September 03, 2019 @02:48PM (#20869809)
grey text on black background looks decent. Does this hold up for a true black background?
Re:Android 10 by mopay on Tuesday September 03, 2019 @01:15PM (#20868754)
Feels like "dark mode" is an advertisement gimmick more than a useful feature for some products now.
Re:Android 10 by Someone1234 on Tuesday September 03, 2019 @01:35PM (#20868959)
In the post you replied to I stated two specific benefits of dark mode. I don't understand how you got from that post to "gimmick."

- Dark mode saves battery (for OLED displays). The discussion was on "true dark" Vs. grey. Not dark Vs. non-dark modes.

- Dark mode is useful in low light/dark rooms/night usage.

It isn't a gimmick and a lot of people like it. I happen to be one of them. I'd use it even without any battery savings.

Re:Android 10 by bmurphy1976 on Tuesday September 03, 2019 @01:33PM (#20868921)
No way, dark mode is great. Combine it with an internet browser that has a night mode (Samsung's fork of Chrome) and the phones are significantly more pleasant to use at night.
Re:Android 10 by mopay on Tuesday September 03, 2019 @01:35PM (#20868950)
Dark mode is only great if absolutely every single website and app you use support it, and you are never shown bright images ever, because then your eyes explode. This is, it's useless.
Re:Android 10 by Someone1234 on Tuesday September 03, 2019 @01:41PM (#20869013)
That's a fallacious argument. Imperfect solutions can still be superior to the unmitigated problem, and they are in this case. You're essentially arguing that unless the solution is perfect, they shouldn't even try, and I'd point out you haven't justified or even tried to justify that black or white point of view.
Re:Android 10 by mopay on Tuesday September 03, 2019 @01:43PM (#20869029)
In this case, yes. I think it's better to use light apps at a low brightness level than to use dark apps that might or might not blast a white screen at you. I think that flash of light is terrible for your eyesight, much worse than constant light apps.
Re:Android 10 by bdefore on Tuesday September 03, 2019 @07:04PM (#20872231)
I'm inclined to agree with you that sustained periods of darkness that include rapid change of light level may be less healthy for the eyes than consistent levels of overall brighter display with such shocks, but I'd like to see some research to back it up.
Re:Android 10 by input_sh on Tuesday September 03, 2019 @02:52PM (#20869841)
> if absolutely every single website

prefers-color-scheme recently landed in all major browsers: https://caniuse.com/#search=prefers-color-scheme

> and app you use support it

This is a prerequisite for that. You're not gonna manually turn on dark mode in every single app for much longer, your OS will support it as a setting and third-party apps (including browsers) will read that setting and adjust accordingly.

Re:Android 10 by vdnkh on Tuesday September 03, 2019 @02:46PM (#20869775)
I love dark mode because it hides my eye floaters
Re:Android 10 by JohnFen on Tuesday September 03, 2019 @02:15PM (#20869431)
I dislike "dark modes" and don't use them at all, but I can see that they are of real value to a lot of people and not just a gimmick.
Re:Android 10 by windsurfer on Tuesday September 03, 2019 @01:54PM (#20869168)
Do you happen to have a source? I am having trouble finding a source online for this information.
Re:Android 10 by readams on Tuesday September 03, 2019 @03:23PM (#20870172)
Re:Android 10 by dartdartdart1 on Tuesday September 03, 2019 @01:05PM (#20868650)
"almost"