Re:Analysis of the Nahid-1/Safir launch failure satellite image
by rocqua on Saturday August 31, 2019 @06:15PM
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> The other side is composed of people like yourself willing to dismiss any degree of outrage or anger at Trump as simply "jumping on the bandwagon of 'trump bad'." They already immediately dismiss us every time.
Firstly, I'd like to emphasize the following. I want trump out of the presidents office.
My point here is not that trump isn't that bad. My point here is that we should try to avoid the "We've got him" moments. Moreover, we really should avoid playing up issues to make those moments more effective.
If we are going to get rid of trump, we will need to affect people on the other side. As such, lets assume the other side is open to reason. We want to make the argument as effective on them as possible. Bombarding them with many stories, some of which don't quite hold up when, does not help us convince them.
Such performances might help us feel better, it might make us feel like we are helping by exposing how bad trump is. But that is essentially preaching to the quire. We need a focus on things that are actually immensely bad, and not politically disputed. 'Grab em by the pussy', setting up concentration camps for foreigners, that kind of stuff.
> Even if you support his populist agenda, wear a MAGA hat with pride, and would bring your own hammer to build the damned wall yourself if you could, it should be obvious at this point that continuing to support Trump is a fool's errand.
Lets make it easier for these people. People don't easily change their views when challenged by facts. If there are mitigating circumstances, they grab on to them. So we need to point out things without any mitigating circumstances. Things like I mentioned above. Besides that, we should keep up on the bad stuff, rather than moving on when a few days of the bad stuff doesn't seem to change any minds. Then again, staying with old stuff isn't "news".
Re:Analysis of the Nahid-1/Safir launch failure satellite image
by krapp on Saturday August 31, 2019 @06:29PM
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We'll have to agree to disagree about how bad this particular incident is. I don't think it's a "gotcha" moment, I think it rises to the level of high crimes and misdemeanors.
Firstly, I'd like to emphasize the following. I want trump out of the presidents office. My point here is not that trump isn't that bad. My point here is that we should try to avoid the "We've got him" moments. Moreover, we really should avoid playing up issues to make those moments more effective.
If we are going to get rid of trump, we will need to affect people on the other side. As such, lets assume the other side is open to reason. We want to make the argument as effective on them as possible. Bombarding them with many stories, some of which don't quite hold up when, does not help us convince them.
Such performances might help us feel better, it might make us feel like we are helping by exposing how bad trump is. But that is essentially preaching to the quire. We need a focus on things that are actually immensely bad, and not politically disputed. 'Grab em by the pussy', setting up concentration camps for foreigners, that kind of stuff.
> Even if you support his populist agenda, wear a MAGA hat with pride, and would bring your own hammer to build the damned wall yourself if you could, it should be obvious at this point that continuing to support Trump is a fool's errand.
Lets make it easier for these people. People don't easily change their views when challenged by facts. If there are mitigating circumstances, they grab on to them. So we need to point out things without any mitigating circumstances. Things like I mentioned above. Besides that, we should keep up on the bad stuff, rather than moving on when a few days of the bad stuff doesn't seem to change any minds. Then again, staying with old stuff isn't "news".