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Re:Humans Dominated Earth Earlier Than Previously Thought by hinkley on Saturday August 31, 2019 @01:12AM (#20844713)
I don't think we're talking about Atlantis here. We're talking about ruins being inundated. There is some tipping point where every society collapses, and those inland and upland we occasionally locate. Except that we're having a damned difficult time doing that in aggressively biologically active regions like swamps or rainforests.

Say you built your town on a 3% grade next to the water. That's 3 meters of descent for every 100 meters of distance. If sea level rises 50 meters, your town's ruins aren't just ~45 meters underwater, there's also almost a kilometer and a half out to sea. Nobody is looking there.

Re:Humans Dominated Earth Earlier Than Previously Thought by greglindahl on Saturday August 31, 2019 @04:05AM (#20845165)
The last time this issue came up on HN, I googled and discovered that archaeologists definitely are looking at the right places underwater. It is relatively expensive to do so, but it's hard to imagine that they totally missed a bunch of huge civilizations.
Re:Humans Dominated Earth Earlier Than Previously Thought by chrisco255 on Saturday August 31, 2019 @02:33AM (#20844919)
See my post below where I link to actual data on sea level rise rate. The ice caps don't melt instantaneously there's not enough energy in one summer to do that. The fastest it ever rose was 3 cm a year during a 1000 year period. Even at 3 cm a year you can build new buildings on higher ground as the water advances and never lose a beat. Especially when we're talking an era when most homes were built out of bones and deerskin and maybe clay. Without metal they couldn't even chop wood but even wood buildings go up rather quickly. I just fail to see how we could believe our ancestors made it through several ice ages, mastered fire, avoided being eaten by saber tooth tigers and hunted wooly mammoths and populated the whole globe but failed to avert a 3cm a year sea level rise.
Re:Humans Dominated Earth Earlier Than Previously Thought by reificator on Saturday August 31, 2019 @04:44AM (#20845248)
You're still arguing against something that no one else is.

You're viewing their arguments as "Water overtook their cities and they died because of it".

Their argument is that "They died out and then water overtook their cities".

Re:Humans Dominated Earth Earlier Than Previously Thought by chrisco255 on Saturday August 31, 2019 @04:54AM (#20845272)
Well if we're still talking about "advanced civilization" like Mesopotamia, I can definitely see climate change causing a gradual collapse. I still doubt it was possible to have a large city prior to metallurgy and agriculture. Maybe megafauna was abundant enough that it could support that but it seems like a stretch.
Re:Humans Dominated Earth Earlier Than Previously Thought by hinkley on Sunday September 01, 2019 @01:59PM (#20853653)
As far as I am aware, none of the civilizations in South and Central America ever had metallurgy.

Having a civilization and keeping civilization are two different things. Once humans are capable of thinking of it, it would happen over and over again. But when it fails, the survivors might have a sort of cultural PTSD comparable to the Sodom and Gomorrah story in the Bible. People might resist trying again for generations (also, how many places could you found a civilization in a world without sanitation, metallurgy or medicine?)

Re:Humans Dominated Earth Earlier Than Previously Thought by sooheon on Saturday August 31, 2019 @02:40AM (#20844941)
I think the claim is not that sea level rise caused civilizational collapse, but that sea level rise could have obscured many coastal cities (which presumably suffered run of the mill, non-watery deaths).
Re:Humans Dominated Earth Earlier Than Previously Thought by roywiggins on Saturday August 31, 2019 @02:08AM (#20844851)
People have pulled artefacts off the seabed where Doggerland used to be (and still is, it's just under quite a lot of water). Mostly by accident: fishing sometimes fetches stuff up from down there.