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Re:Study identifies main culprit behind lithium metal batter... by AmericanChopper on Wednesday August 28, 2019 @02:57AM (#20817520)
This argument has absolutely no basis in economics. There is currently a particular demand for air travel. If you want to reduce that demand, you can only do one of the following things:

1. Create a competing product that people prefer over air travel.

2. Artificially increase the price through taxation.

3. Artificially decrease supply through regulation.

There’s nothing on the horizon for option 1, and since we live in a democracy, democratic mechanisms are the only means you have for 2 or 3, unless you wanted to resort to something like terrorism.

Your presupposition that we can’t have cheap air travel while avoiding catastrophic man-made climate change is in no way obviously true, and your suggested solution is a utopian fantasy.

Re:Study identifies main culprit behind lithium metal batter... by fulafel on Wednesday August 28, 2019 @05:04AM (#20818086)
Your argument presupposes that we let the free market run its course, but it's widely agreed that co2 emission controls will have to involve regulation or market steeting such as emissions trading.
Re:Study identifies main culprit behind lithium metal batter... by AmericanChopper on Wednesday August 28, 2019 @07:08AM (#20818616)
Putting aside for a moment the fact that the most significant reductions in emissions have been generated by free market activity. You haven’t proposed gentle market steering and incentive creation, you quite literally suggested the “phasing out” of air travel.
Re:Study identifies main culprit behind lithium metal batter... by zzzcpan on Wednesday August 28, 2019 @08:35AM (#20819130)
> the most significant reductions in emissions have been generated by free market activity

Not sure what you mean, globally there are no reductions in emissions. And you would have to phase out a lot more than just air travel. Personal cars too and overall reduce consumption like ten fold or more, basically destroy this whole capitalism-driven consumerist way of life.

Re:Study identifies main culprit behind lithium metal batter... by AmericanChopper on Wednesday August 28, 2019 @09:12AM (#20819394)
That’s only true if you pretend growth isn’t occurring. Every Mwh of renewable energy consumed is one less Mwh oh fossile fuels that would have been burned, and the market is producing more and more of those every year.

This anti-capitalism stuff seems completely irrelevant too. Every economy is based on consumption, even socialist ones. The only reason the USSR didn’t have as many car owners as the USA is because their economy was in a permanent state of crisis. Market forces don’t go away when you implement socialism.

Re:Study identifies main culprit behind lithium metal batter... by zzzcpan on Wednesday August 28, 2019 @10:39AM (#20820219)
There is growth in emissions globally. Because forced consumption of non-economical renewable energy doesn't actually work due to the same market forces you speak about. It just makes some rich people richer and others poorer. Resulting in more demand for cheaper products and services that subsequently create more demand for cheaper energy from places where there is no forced consumption of non-economical renewable energy.

> Every economy is based on consumption

I'm talking about buying a tesla level of consumerism, that's not everyone in every economy, but relatively few and they are part of the problem, not part of the solution.