Re:How do we cut down on emissions from steel, cement, and p...
by dTal on Tuesday August 27, 2019 @07:05PM
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You seem to be agreeing violently. A carbon fee + dividend takes money away from people who pollute, and gives it to people who don't. That's essentially tax funded emissions reduction - pollute less and the government will give you money. And schedules? The ratchet covers that.
You make a good point about the intellectual property, though. The system will still work without such precautions, though - eventually if polluting became expensive enough, relevant technology would be licensed.
Re:How do we cut down on emissions from steel, cement, and p...
by bryanlarsen on Wednesday August 28, 2019 @09:33AM
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The plan takes from the rich and gives to the poor. It could also be called a "Carbon Tax & Benefit". But instead we use right-friendly words for a very left-friendly plan.
Re:How do we cut down on emissions from steel, cement, and p...
by einpoklum on Thursday August 29, 2019 @06:02AM
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You can take from the rich and give to the poor all day long - but that in itself doesn't reduce emissions. The rich will pay some taxes, or more probably, evade them, offshore stuff etc, and emissions will continue.
Re:How do we cut down on emissions from steel, cement, and p...
by bryanlarsen on Thursday August 29, 2019 @12:30PM
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The rich can hide money, but it's a lot harder for them to hide consumption, and the carbon tax is a consumption tax.
Re:How do we cut down on emissions from steel, cement, and p...
by einpoklum on Friday August 30, 2019 @06:25PM
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So what? So they'll pay consumption tax. They're rich, after all, they can afford it.
Re:How do we cut down on emissions from steel, cement, and p...
by mac01021 on Wednesday August 28, 2019 @06:40AM
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> that's a plan for financiers and capitalists to trade in the blame for continuing climate change.
Are you confusing fee& dividend with cap&trade?
Re:How do we cut down on emissions from steel, cement, and p...
by einpoklum on Thursday August 29, 2019 @06:03AM
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No, but also kind of yes. That is, if there's a carbon task, the financial system may very well distribute its load among many people (perhaps even indirectly onto regular people through their retirement benefits or what-not). If the plan does not absolute positively require emission reduction, period, then it's not good enough.
No no, emissions need to be cut - for real. There need to be schedules and (tax-based) funding to help make this happen. And - an expropriation of intellectual property so that technologies developed to help this happen aren't controlled by any single company or cartel - or nation.