Re:Epstein’s Links to Scientists Are More Extensive Than Pre...
by natalyarostova on Tuesday August 27, 2019 @09:29AM
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I recognize the point you're making, and I think it's fair to an extent, Epstein was a weird disturbed man. But my general point remains: who can make this clear for me (us?) ahead of time. If the rule is "give people a second chance, except those accused of the following sex crimes -- they must be shamed forever" fine. But I want it clear. Otherwise I worry we will find ourselves in a world where everyone, in fear of their career, avoids ever associating with the wrong person.
If we think our laws aren't working, so we need Twitter vigilante shame justice, i would prefer we rework our laws
Re:Epstein’s Links to Scientists Are More Extensive Than Pre...
by msghacq on Tuesday August 27, 2019 @09:31AM
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I don't think this is that unclear. 99% of people would not invite a convicted child rapist and his entourage of young women to a party, take pictures with them then fly in a private jet (already called the "Lolita Express") to his residences that have already been in the news for being the locations of child rape.
Re:Epstein’s Links to Scientists Are More Extensive Than Pre...
by jacknews on Tuesday August 27, 2019 @10:16AM
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he funded some scientists, whom he met by attending scientific conventions, or attracted via TED, etc, in many cases.
I don't think there is any claim that these scientists attended his under-age orgies, and were thus granted funding.
Re:Epstein’s Links to Scientists Are More Extensive Than Pre...
by natalyarostova on Tuesday August 27, 2019 @09:49AM
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Yeah I agree with you, that's pretty clear. But I worry about edge cases, people who affiliated with him briefly.
Re:Epstein’s Links to Scientists Are More Extensive Than Pre...
by luckylion on Tuesday August 27, 2019 @10:05AM
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> Yes, it's not a good idea for high profile people (or anyone really) to work with convicted sex offenders.
Doesn't that apply to all crimes that include victims? If I understand it correctly, that's the question there: do we treat a convicted sex offender differently than, say, a murderer or ponzi scheme operator? Critique regarding his deal and the punishment aside, do they get a clean slate after they've "paid their debt to society" or not?
Optically it's bad, morally it's bad. There's also more to this than just "work" as well. If someone was a convicted child rapist, would you invite them and a bunch of young women to your parties and take pictures like this?
https://twitter.com/xeni/status/1165266579560521728