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Re:Useless Windows 10 Features by ilaksh on Monday August 26, 2019 @09:40PM (#20805570)
In case people are really ambitious or adventurous and want to avoid all of this stuff completely, what Linux distro (or other open source OS) is currently trendiest/most useful/relevant? Is it still Ubuntu?
Re:Useless Windows 10 Features by zeta0134 on Monday August 26, 2019 @10:13PM (#20805739)
I would strongly vote in favor of Ubuntu for your first distribution. It's still wildly popular, and despite some mishaps, Canonical tries pretty hard to make sure it's a smooth installation process, and has enough standard applications installed to be useful right away. If you just want to get your feet wet, and especially if you'd rather not mess around with the command line unless absolutely necessary, Ubuntu is great.

Depending on your needs, Fedora is also quite usable. It leans more in the FOSS direction, and while it is fairly bleeding edge with regards to Linux specific tooling, it is somewhat more hesitant to include non-free software, which may include device drivers and firmware. Last I checked, Ubuntu still had a higher degree of Just Works(tm) than Fedora for this reason. Fedora is very similar to RedHat and CentOS, so if you're looking for a business-focused distribution, this is a strong contender. Might not be as useful as a casual desktop install though.

Linux Mint is also wildly popular. It's Ubuntu-based, but it leans much less in the pure-FOSS direction, and is willing to include more grey area tools like video codecs and non-free device drivers. It also uses the Cinnamon desktop environment, which may feel a bit more familiar if you're coming from Windows. Some of my colleagues swear by it, so I think it's worth checking out.

Of course, take this with a grain of salt. I run Arch Linux and am perfectly happy to tinker around with the deepest guts of my system when needed. I wouldn't actually recommend that to a new user though, while I enjoy the absolute freedom to dive that deep, it can occasionally be quite frustrating.

Re:Useless Windows 10 Features by twic on Tuesday August 27, 2019 @04:34AM (#20807409)
My experience has been that Fedora does better at "just works" than Ubuntu, over the working life of the installation. Ubuntu may install easily, but it builds up weird stuff over time - thing randomly crashing, stuff not working in weird ways after updates. Fedora just keeps on trucking.

+1 to Cinnamon - AFAICT it's the best way to preserve a classic desktop-style desktop, rather than having a desktop which is trying to be a giant mobile phone.

Re:Useless Windows 10 Features by ilaksh on Monday August 26, 2019 @10:47PM (#20805902)
OK well just to be clear its not my first distro. I have been using Linux off and on for more than like 23 years. Slackware was my first distro. I have used CentOS and played with Red Hat and Fedora and Mint some.

I do use Debian (sometimes) and Ubuntu on my VPSs and on my Virtual Box in Windows.

I was just asking because its easy to get out of touch.

Re:Useless Windows 10 Features by crispinb on Tuesday August 27, 2019 @01:13AM (#20806521)
You're probably best off asking around on relevant forums about what works best on your particular machine. Of the mainstream distros, I found Fedora was by far the best OOB for my current laptop (XPS 15 9570), but I don't get the impression that's universally true.

(Tangent: though likeable in many ways, Fedora was still too much fart-arsing about for me & after a few months I went back to Windows. I don't like it, but then the sad state 2019 has brought us to is that all desktop OSs are rubbish, so 'not liking it' is an unusable choice criterion).

Re:Useless Windows 10 Features by forlorn on Tuesday August 27, 2019 @02:17AM (#20806766)
Fedora is absolutely amazing these days. The smoothest experience by far compared to Ubuntu which tends to break or dramatically slow down after each dist-upgrade.

I'm on Fedora since v.28 gradually upgrading packages and disto versions. I've seen no problems whatsoever.

Re:Useless Windows 10 Features by crispinb on Tuesday August 27, 2019 @02:37AM (#20806843)
For one thing it was the only distro I tried that gave me battery life comparable to Windows without me having to mess about with powertop etc. And everything very up-to-date. Impressed.
Re:Useless Windows 10 Features by starsinspace on Tuesday August 27, 2019 @03:53AM (#20807223)
Does Fedora come with support for playing back common media formats these days? Last time I tried, it didn't even play MP3s, just showing some dialog box about how it can't play that due to patents or something. To solve that IIRC it was needed to add some 3rd-party repository (which is always a bit worrying with having to trust them) to install the codec packages. Is that still the case with Fedora?
Re:Useless Windows 10 Features by crispinb on Tuesday August 27, 2019 @04:10AM (#20807299)
I don't know at what point Fedora loosened up re the FOSS strictures, but the version I installed (30) did have non-free apps/codecs available by default, including for mp3s.
Re:Useless Windows 10 Features by vetinari on Tuesday August 27, 2019 @06:56AM (#20808180)
MP3 patents expired in 2017, so Fedora does include them now. So did AAC and AC3.
Re:Useless Windows 10 Features by crispinb on Tuesday August 27, 2019 @08:17PM (#20815685)
Yes of course. Wasn't there also some policy change at some point regarding what's available in the store by default? I had a vague memory of that but could be wrong.

Anyway, the upshot is that at least based on my experience (limited as I'm not a big media consumer), media playing does just work OOB with current Fedora.

Re:Useless Windows 10 Features by mmgutz on Tuesday August 27, 2019 @12:58AM (#20806455)
If you want something lightweight and based off of Ubuntu, go with Xubuntu. It's more like Windows 95. I do not think it's the trendiest but it's been a stable workhorse for software development. Xubuntu is fast on older machines and virtual machines. I was turned off by the main Ubuntu distro a while ago as it baked Amazon search and other commercial offerings into the desktop environment. (I don't fault them for trying to make money but it should have been opt-in)
Re:Useless Windows 10 Features by HeWhoLurksLate on Monday August 26, 2019 @09:47PM (#20805603)
Still Ubuntu, honestly. If you want something like Ubuntu with more continuous updates, there's Manjaro.
Re:Useless Windows 10 Features by ilaksh on Monday August 26, 2019 @09:57PM (#20805662)
I am sort of getting used to pacman with msys2. Do Arch or Manjaro package registries (are they the same thing?) have good availability in general?

What I mean is, in Arch or Manjaro, how often are there already packages available for things that people normally want to do, versus needing to compile something manually or work around broken dependencies?

Re:Useless Windows 10 Features by Macha on Tuesday August 27, 2019 @08:57AM (#20809040)
Can't speak for Manjaro, but basically every software I use has an Arch package.

This extends to some closed source projects other distros don't include on principle, like Steam [1].

Additionally, the AUR is basically a wrapper around "manually compiling" where users can submit scripts to do it for you. If you install a helper like `yay`, it's as seamless as installing from the official repo and extends coverage to things like the OpenTTD modpack I play [2] and its latest git commit [3]. That said, the AUR is still ultimately running user provided scripts so do make sure to take the offer to read the install script beforehand, most are maybe 5-10 lines.

[1]: https://www.archlinux.org/packages/multilib/x86_64/steam/

[2]: https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/openttd-jgrpp/

[3]: https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/openttd-jgrpp-git/

Re:Useless Windows 10 Features by Boulth on Tuesday August 27, 2019 @05:27AM (#20807687)
I'm using Arch for 2 years (it's my first distro) and I've had only a handful of problems. Usually it's not packaging (deps etc) but rather corner cases and fresh bugs. For example recently kernel had a big that froze display on Intel Graphics. It's good to have a backup drive with minimal system for debugging.
Re:Useless Windows 10 Features by lasagnaphil on Tuesday August 27, 2019 @06:10AM (#20807915)
Using Manjaro right now, and it is probably the most straightforward no-nonsense Linux distribution I’ve ever used. (I’m using the xfce desktop version)

Most importantly, I’ve had the least driver issues with Manjaro. (Especially with NVIDIA gpus, which I’ve had nightmares with it on Ubuntu.) It also comes with a nice GUI program in which you can change between kernel versions and GPU drivers (open source or proprietary)

Re:Useless Windows 10 Features by sandov on Monday August 26, 2019 @10:07PM (#20805719)
Linux Mint. It's based on Ubuntu, but it has a more Windows-like (and IMO, saner) desktop environment.
Re:Useless Windows 10 Features by jayalpha on Monday August 26, 2019 @10:06PM (#20805712)
I never got friendly with the Gnome Desktop. I used KDE for many year but it is a resource hog.

Switched this year to Bodhi Linux, wont look back. It is based on Ubuntu.

https://www.bodhilinux.com/

Re:Useless Windows 10 Features by Vogtinator on Tuesday August 27, 2019 @03:39AM (#20807110)
> I used KDE for many year but it is a resource ho

Not really. It uses barely more memory than Xfce.

Re:Useless Windows 10 Features by jayalpha on Tuesday August 27, 2019 @11:20PM (#20816548)
ROTFL. Sure, I pass.
Re:Useless Windows 10 Features by magicalhippo on Tuesday August 27, 2019 @06:53AM (#20808165)
I'm enjoying KDE Neon on my NUC. Ubuntu LTS with brand new KDE on top.

https://neon.kde.org/

Re:Useless Windows 10 Features by chupasaurus on Monday August 26, 2019 @10:00PM (#20805683)
Debian/Ubuntu/Mint on apt side, Fedora/OpenSUSE on rpm, Manjaro as friendlier Arch spin-off. Driver availability is still a thing though.