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Re:Waymo’s Backseat Drivers: Confidential Data Reveals Self-... by ForrestN on Monday August 26, 2019 @08:24PM (#20805078)
I'm not sure if I agree with the writer's statement here, and I'm not sure the right outcome is for Waymo to share data, but I don't think your analogy works.

Your individual phone calls are made as part of your general participation as an individual in society. One of the largest companies in the world, which does its best to avoid paying taxes, is using public roads as a fundamental part of the infrastructure for a project to generate data.

Maybe a better analogy is people who grow large amounts of marijuana in national parks? Yes, it's true that the growers are part of the public, and that the public owns the land, but...

I wouldn't have a problem with stuff like this if corporations were taxed at reasonable rates, and didn't participate so wholeheartedly in efforts to corrupt our democracy. Google donates to many truly vile, despicable politicians in order to shirk accountability, hamper regulation, and accomplish just this sort of de-facto subsidy and others like it.

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Re:Waymo’s Backseat Drivers: Confidential Data Reveals Self-... by paxys on Monday August 26, 2019 @09:19PM (#20805424)
Companies may or may not have agreements in place with local governments, and those agreements may or may not include provisions for compensation, data sharing etc. However, just saying "you used public roads so you have to make your data public" makes no sense.
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Re:Waymo’s Backseat Drivers: Confidential Data Reveals Self-... by kahnjw on Monday August 26, 2019 @09:03PM (#20805337)
How about UPS/FedEx? They certainly test new products on public roads and have no requirement to make public the resulting data.
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Re:Waymo’s Backseat Drivers: Confidential Data Reveals Self-... by ForrestN on Monday August 26, 2019 @09:07PM (#20805354)
As you can read above, I'm not arguing for the mandatory disclosure of data.
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Re:Waymo’s Backseat Drivers: Confidential Data Reveals Self-... by kahnjw on Monday August 26, 2019 @09:35PM (#20805535)
As you can read above, I wasn't implying you were. Merely pointing out another, perhaps better, analogy.
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Re:Waymo’s Backseat Drivers: Confidential Data Reveals Self-... by gowld on Monday August 26, 2019 @08:26PM (#20805090)
Corporations are made of people that pay income tax and property tax
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Re:Waymo’s Backseat Drivers: Confidential Data Reveals Self-... by flattone on Monday August 26, 2019 @08:37PM (#20805171)
>Corporations are made of people that pay income tax and property tax

Exactly. and drawing a distinction between the two is essential. In the US it seems to be, an ideal anyway.

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Re:Waymo’s Backseat Drivers: Confidential Data Reveals Self-... by icelancer on Monday August 26, 2019 @08:32PM (#20805135)
>> corporations were taxed at reasonable rates

Corporate tax is incredibly high in the United States. It is why corporations funnel their money into other areas where it is taxed at a lower rate. No one gets away without being taxed. Payroll taxes, property taxes, use taxes, L&I taxes, etc.

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