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Re:Recognizing the signs of disruption in our urban habitat by mikeash on Monday August 26, 2019 @06:47PM (#20804506)
How do you justify people occupying extremely valuable land that they aren’t using to anything close to its potential, while also not paying anything close to their share of the taxes that keep the local government afloat?
Re:Recognizing the signs of disruption in our urban habitat by Decade on Monday August 26, 2019 @08:47PM (#20805231)
My big problem is not merely keeping their own land under-developed, but that there is a huge overlap between these squatters and NIMBYism to prevent me from using the land to its potential, even if I manage to buy property from one of their neighbors.
Re:Recognizing the signs of disruption in our urban habitat by zepto on Tuesday August 27, 2019 @09:07AM (#20809125)
Ok, so it is about using taxes to push people you don’t like out?

What makes a particular property owner into a ‘squatter’?

Re:Recognizing the signs of disruption in our urban habitat by Decade on Thursday August 29, 2019 @09:11PM (#20835163)
It is not about using taxes to push people out. The feudal nature of Prop 13 is a problem, but people eventually leave anyway. Once the owner leaves, the new owner should be able to bring it to its full potential by building apartments and condos. In most of the country, including the vast majority of the land in every city in California, this is illegal. The only way to maximize the value of the land is to turn it into luxury housing.

Prop 13 is a blunt instrument that rewards speculators more than it protects homeowners. What would be a much better system is some sort of forbearance, that the owner does not have to pay the full property tax until the property is sold, and then the back taxes are paid from the profits.

Immortal entities like corporations should not have Prop 13 protection.

Re:Recognizing the signs of disruption in our urban habitat by mikeash on Tuesday August 27, 2019 @09:15AM (#20809201)
They pretty clearly said that it’s about being prevented from using their own property the way they want.
Re:Recognizing the signs of disruption in our urban habitat by zepto on Tuesday August 27, 2019 @04:45PM (#20814251)
Sure - but this is just indication that there is a small group of people that the poster has a beef with vs the huge group who would be adversely affected I.e. all homeowners.

Unless you take seriously the idea that most homeowners in California are squatters and NIMBYs.

Re:Recognizing the signs of disruption in our urban habitat by zepto on Monday August 26, 2019 @07:26PM (#20804748)
How do you justify anyone owning anything and not using it to it’s ‘potential’?

More importantly who do you think should decide what the ‘potential’ is for what you own?

Re:Recognizing the signs of disruption in our urban habitat by mikeash on Monday August 26, 2019 @08:28PM (#20805104)
The market value is a pretty reasonable way to determine the potential.
Re:Recognizing the signs of disruption in our urban habitat by zepto on Monday August 26, 2019 @08:41PM (#20805204)
That seems like a great argument for abolishing property taxes.