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Re:Tampa Airport: Moving magnetic poles forces runway changes by yellowbkpk on Friday January 07, 2011 @09:44AM (#2079653)
Imagine you're flying the landing pattern in a cloud. You just flew through a thermal boundary so your battery jostled and lost voltage for a split second, resetting your electronics that require a >5 minute reboot and config time. How do you determine geographic north?
Re:Tampa Airport: Moving magnetic poles forces runway changes by DanielBMarkham on Friday January 07, 2011 @09:51AM (#2079679)
And whatever you do, don't forget your manual compass deviation rules: accelerate north, decelerate south

Trivia note: I believe the standard compass is called a "whiskey compass". Not sure why. Probably because if that's all the nav gear you got working you'll probably be using copious quantities of whiskey after landing. (Actually if memory serves I believe the early compasses floated in whiskey. No doubt this practice did not last very long. I think they use kerosene now)

Re:Tampa Airport: Moving magnetic poles forces runway changes by jcl on Friday January 07, 2011 @10:23AM (#2079750)
The explanation I have read is that it is a "wet compass" (a ball floating in liquid), which was abbreviated "W compass", which is pronounced "whiskey compass" in the NATO phonetic alphabet that pilots use. I doubt whiskey was ever used to fill them, since even water would have worked better in terms of cost, transparency, evaporation, or boiling point.
Re:Tampa Airport: Moving magnetic poles forces runway changes by pdx on Friday January 07, 2011 @10:37AM (#2079792)
I suspect it would have been freezing point that was most important, and whiskey was a readily available source of low freezing point liquid.
Re:Tampa Airport: Moving magnetic poles forces runway changes by DanielBMarkham on Friday January 07, 2011 @12:27PM (#2080191)
I've read that as well.

Just trying to share a little FBO-lore. It's common to tell the whiskey compass story in the fashion I have. http://iflyasa.com/2009/10/11/whiskey-compass/

I was aiming for tone, not accuracy. There are all sorts of topics that pilots discuss with great vim and vigor. I was trying to convey that feeling. Looks like I missed the boat.

Re:Tampa Airport: Moving magnetic poles forces runway changes by pavel_lishin on Friday January 07, 2011 @10:05AM (#2079707)
"We wouldn't be lost if Bob here hadn't drank the compass."
Re:Tampa Airport: Moving magnetic poles forces runway changes by ZoFreX on Friday January 07, 2011 @10:58AM (#2079859)
I doubt any pilot would forget their grid north / magnetic north conversions. I hope not, anyway. That stuff got drilled into us in the cadets.
Re:Tampa Airport: Moving magnetic poles forces runway changes by robryan on Friday January 07, 2011 @11:11AM (#2079902)
Isn't that the same problem though? Easier from them to do one calculation on the ground in advance rather than pilots having to worry about a conversion in the air.
Re:Tampa Airport: Moving magnetic poles forces runway changes by metageek on Friday January 07, 2011 @12:58PM (#2080331)
Particularly since the pilot would still have to look up the local conversion, since it varies from place to place.
Re:Tampa Airport: Moving magnetic poles forces runway changes by maigret on Friday January 07, 2011 @11:44AM (#2080026)
ICAO VFR maps contain the magnetic deviation as information - you just have to apply it to all your directions and be able to remember in what direction you have to correct ;) Not so trivial under stress. Anyway, on US and EU latitudes, the difference is not much bigger than 2 or 3 degrees, right?
Re:Tampa Airport: Moving magnetic poles forces runway changes by wtallis on Friday January 07, 2011 @12:25PM (#2080178)
No. The magnetic declination can be quite significant even in the continental US, and it isn't determined by latitude alone:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:IGRF_2000_magnetic_declina...

Re:Tampa Airport: Moving magnetic poles forces runway changes by maigret on Friday January 07, 2011 @12:46PM (#2080268)
Thanks the correction! I've only used european maps where the deviation is usually small. Local bias...
Re:Tampa Airport: Moving magnetic poles forces runway changes by metageek on Friday January 07, 2011 @01:01PM (#2080351)
Thanks for the map; I always thought the declination was pretty tiny. Kind of shocking to realize it's 20° in my house.
Re:Tampa Airport: Moving magnetic poles forces runway changes by jberryman on Friday January 07, 2011 @01:51PM (#2080606)
Trick question: the correct answer is you eject immediately.
Re:Tampa Airport: Moving magnetic poles forces runway changes by borism on Friday January 07, 2011 @10:42AM (#2079808)
that just means there is a market for ultra-low-power battery-assisted magnetic-to-true-north converters!