A profile of Geoffrey Hinton (2018)

Re:A profile of Geoffrey Hinton (2018) by Bostonian on Saturday August 24, 2019 @06:11PM (#20790048)

I agree that academics at research universities can provide more opportunities for their children, but they are also bequeathing genes for higher IQ to their children, and I'd guess that the genetic influence is at least as strong as the environmental one. Adoption studies have generally found that the academic achievement of adoptees is more correlated to the educational level of their biological than their adoptive parents.

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Re:A profile of Geoffrey Hinton (2018) by opportune on Saturday August 24, 2019 @06:15PM (#20790069)

That's true, however here I am speaking about the highest level of competition for the best path into academia (one of the most competitive careers in the world). Large IQ studies aren't as relevant since the population of people seriously considering academia who have the ability to act on that is skewed to the relatively far right side of the distribution

I ran into so many roadblocks when I started seriously looking into going into academia when I was 16-17; if you don't have top science fairs or olympiads your chances of getting into top academic undergrads are already at risk, which has negative compounding effects down the line compared to the positive compounding effects of those that do get these, especially if you are a white or asian male. Close relatives of academics and people going to top magnet schools in major metro areas have huge headstarts compared to everyone else. Having a good IQ is just one of many requisites into going into academia, accomplishment-oriented credentials are much more valuable in your early career than things like regular standardized test scores

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Re:A profile of Geoffrey Hinton (2018) by mattkrause on Saturday August 24, 2019 @07:59PM (#20790477)

The bit about the competitions specifically doesn’t ring true for me.

Many friends from grad school have tenure-track jobs. None of them, as far as I know, participated in these contests. I would bet that things effectively reset once you start grad school and again once you’re in a faculty job.

It is true that academic recognition tends to snowball. Winning your nth grant or fellowship is exponentially easier than the first one “because you have a track record.”

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Re:A profile of Geoffrey Hinton (2018) by akiselev on Sunday August 25, 2019 @02:50AM (#20791723)

I dont understand. The highest level of competition is for thousands of spots a year in the Ivy League/MIT/Caltech/Stanford/etc. versus dozens of notable competition winners per state, at best. Round up all the science fair, math olympiad, etc winners, and I'd be surprised if they filled put a single graduating year at Caltech, let alone all the (much larger) other schools.

i dont think the math adds up.

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Re:A profile of Geoffrey Hinton (2018) by cma on Sunday August 25, 2019 @12:04AM (#20791290)

> especially if you are a white or asian male

As far as whites, alumni preference is typically as strong or stronger a weighting than affirmative action in undergrad admissions, and segregation wasn't outlawed until around 50 years ago meaning there are less alumni for non-whites to draw on, and many of the schools received federal money during segregation.

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