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Re:In effect, Seattle is decriminalizing the use of hard drugs by rayiner on Friday August 23, 2019 @02:14PM (#20780648)
It's interesting people always point to Portugal to support the idea that decriminalization is the way to address substance abuse. But compare Sweden, which has similar levels of drug dependency to Portugal, but takes a "zero tolerance" approach to drug use: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_policy_of_Sweden. While Sweden does include treatment as part of its drug policy, that is a complement to, not replacement for, strict law enforcement.

(Swedes are very anti-drug. While a narrow majority of even Republicans in the US support legalization of cannabis, 83% of Swedes support keeping it illegal: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-sweden-cannabis/in-anti-d...)

Re:In effect, Seattle is decriminalizing the use of hard drugs by DanBC on Friday August 23, 2019 @02:25PM (#20780812)
> According to the European Monitoring Centre for Drugs and Drug Addiction (EMCDDA), in 2005, the rate of drug-related deaths per capita in Sweden was more than twice that of the Netherlands and there were more persons addicted to severe narcotics ("heavy drugs") than in other countries

It doesn't seem to be working that well, does it?

Re:In effect, Seattle is decriminalizing the use of hard drugs by rdtwo on Friday August 23, 2019 @05:27PM (#20782775)
Is drug related death really the right stat to use? Seems like it doesn’t tell the whole story.
Re:In effect, Seattle is decriminalizing the use of hard drugs by hdfbdtbcdg on Saturday August 24, 2019 @08:37AM (#20786789)
Considering the low rate of drug usage in Sweden amongst the general population it seems to tell a sorry story about Swedish drug policy...
Re:In effect, Seattle is decriminalizing the use of hard drugs by tenpies on Friday August 23, 2019 @06:33PM (#20783375)
Whenever someone points out Portugal and you talk to them you find that they think just decriminalization turned Portugal into a beautiful utopia.

In practice decriminalization was 20% of the action. The important 80% was investing heavily in social workers, public health, and temporary housing so that people on drugs could receive treatment.

What other countries fail to appreciate is that people in these conditions are almost always self-medicating or escaping something. So great, you don't put them in jail, but they continue living in a vicious addictive hell with no hope for a better future or of ever regaining their lives. That's not exactly compassionate is it?

The metric to track can't be: "didn't die" or "didn't incarcerate", it should be "regained their life" and "broke their addiction".

Re:In effect, Seattle is decriminalizing the use of hard drugs by stefan_ on Friday August 23, 2019 @03:32PM (#20781651)
So they throw people in jail and end up having the same outcomes as Portugal that doesn't?

Gee, you are making it very difficult to choose which policy I prefer!

Re:In effect, Seattle is decriminalizing the use of hard drugs by hdfbdtbcdg on Friday August 23, 2019 @11:15PM (#20784993)
I seriously doubt the Swedes 'throw people in jail'. Their social policy in general is very much the other way. Their prison sentances will be 10-30% as long as US ones for comparable offences.

In terms of drugs Norway and Sweden have traditionally not had much drugs - mainly because they are a long way from anywhere.

Re:In effect, Seattle is decriminalizing the use of hard drugs by xyzzyz on Friday August 23, 2019 @05:01PM (#20782515)
Portugal is such a strange example to point at. Yes, the heroin use fell after the decriminalization, but it also fell in other countries at the same time. Use of other drugs in Portugal after decriminalization actually rose.