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Re:15 states are trying to make the electoral college obselete by nostrademons on Thursday August 22, 2019 @01:40AM (#20764992)
So, for one, I don't - I'm mildly in favor of direct popular votes combined with some form of runoff voting (either IRV, STV, or approval voting).

But I also get the arguments of people that say that without the electoral college, there is zero incentive for politicians to campaign in or pay attention to the interests of people in lightly-populated area. And I think that is a bad thing - whenever you completely disenfranchise people you get create a potential crack for revolution, secession, or other fragmentation processes to seep in. (It's also just shitty to the people involved.) I'd rather fix that by getting rid of first-past-the-post voting systems, but I also think you can't ignore that problem.

You still haven't answered why you believe there's an excluded middle. The opposite of tyranny is representation, and it's the system we have in the U.S. You can quibble about the degree of representation, but the fact that you can quibble about it means that we don't have a tyranny.

Re:15 states are trying to make the electoral college obselete by geggam on Thursday August 22, 2019 @07:56AM (#20767052)
Do you think you are represented by the current system ? You get to complain about being in jail when you are in jail but when you are innocent and complaining does that make it better ?

Ballotpedia's congressional approval polling average: 20% (August 21, 2019)

Cambridge Analytica has shown the method to manipulate any political system. We are in for an "interesting" future.

Re:15 states are trying to make the electoral college obselete by hannasanarion on Thursday August 22, 2019 @10:29AM (#20768429)
> But I also get the arguments of people that say that without the electoral college, there is zero incentive for politicians to campaign in or pay attention to the interests of people in lightly-populated area.

This is a lie probably told to you by a high school teacher who never really thought about it, and clearly you haven't either.

If the electoral college empowers lightly populated areas, how come no Presidential Candidate has ever gone stumping for those sweet sweet Wyoming voters?

Because it doesn't empower small states. It doesn't empower big states. It empowers closely contested states.

The electoral college makes no sense, it was not designed this way, the designers tried to get rid of it after they saw how it was being abused.

It's non-democratic, nonsensical, and there has been ~75% support for abolishing it for over 100 years but politicians have been holding off because it makes elections easier for them to fight because it lets them ignore most of the voters.

Re:15 states are trying to make the electoral college obselete by briandear on Thursday August 22, 2019 @12:37PM (#20769853)
Does the EU presidency have a popular vote? Why aren’t the various leaders of the EU all German since Germany has the most people?

I love the electoral college. For those that bother to understand that America is a republic; the system was nearly perfectly designed. If we can get back to the original method of electing senators and back to the idea of “these United States” rather than “the United States,” we’d all be happier. States should have increased sovereignty. The 10th Amendment ought to matter.

Re:15 states are trying to make the electoral college obselete by hannasanarion on Friday August 23, 2019 @02:38PM (#20780964)
Dude, the Electoral College takes sovereignty AWAY from the states, and concentrates it in only 4-5 states where the race is close.

If the Electoral College made every state matter equally, then candidates would be campaigning for support in every state equally. It is a fact that that's not what the Electoral College does.

Also, the Electoral College in its current form was not "designed". It was a mistake. The people who designed it, Hamilton and Madison, tried to get rid of it with constitutional amendments after they saw how it was being abused with "winner-take-all" laws.

Re:15 states are trying to make the electoral college obselete by jki275 on Saturday August 24, 2019 @08:55AM (#20786861)
You’re confusing where people campaign with who has influence. Wyoming, as a state, has as much influence as California - and that’s how it was designed. Nobody campaigns in either state very much, because their state wide preferences are mostly set - but that doesn’t mean they have no influence.