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Re:15 states are trying to make the electoral college obselete by harryh on Wednesday August 21, 2019 @08:19PM (#20763397)
First, the number of House reps is no longer proportionate to the population.

Yes they are. Each house district has about 750,000 people. You get a bit of deviation because states don't necessarily have a precise multiple of 750k people. Also we only redraw districts every 10 years, so things have drifted a bit since 2010.

But it's pretty close.

Re:15 states are trying to make the electoral college obselete by dragonwriter on Wednesday August 21, 2019 @08:28PM (#20763455)
> Each house district has about 750,000 people.

It ranges quite a bit above and below that. (About half a million to a million is the range.)

Re:15 states are trying to make the electoral college obselete by harryh on Wednesday August 21, 2019 @08:33PM (#20763479)
Indeed, according to:

https://247wallst.com/special-report/2018/10/26/americas-lar...

the largest is Montana's at large district with 1,050,493 and the smallest is Rhode Island 2 with 520,389. I tried to find a full list but couldn't with a few minutes of Googling. I'm a little surprised that Wikipedia doesn't have a page on this.

Perils of the fact that districts are confined to state borders so you've gotta round up or down for some states.

Re:15 states are trying to make the electoral college obselete by coryrc on Wednesday August 21, 2019 @08:21PM (#20763412)
I think they mean number of citizens per House rep, which is many times higher now.
Re:15 states are trying to make the electoral college obselete by harryh on Wednesday August 21, 2019 @08:24PM (#20763433)
Ah, OK. Yes, that is definitely true. Wikipedia has a nice graph on this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_congressional_ap...

Re:15 states are trying to make the electoral college obselete by rtkwe on Thursday August 22, 2019 @03:59PM (#20771819)
It's also just that at the extremes we have house districts representing just over one million people and just over half a million people. 750k +/- 50% isn't great.

https://247wallst.com/special-report/2018/10/26/americas-lar...

Re:15 states are trying to make the electoral college obselete by greggeter on Wednesday August 21, 2019 @08:57PM (#20763638)
We should expand the number of reps to 1 per 100k. Would help much of the problems.
Re:15 states are trying to make the electoral college obselete by big_chungus on Wednesday August 21, 2019 @10:34PM (#20764112)
You think adding more people to the room in an already-dissonant chamber will make thing more coherent? We moved to a modified republic precisely because a huge-scale town meeting isn't practical.
Re:15 states are trying to make the electoral college obselete by kbaker on Wednesday August 21, 2019 @11:00PM (#20764263)
There are a bunch of good arguments here: https://www.thirty-thousand.org/
Re:15 states are trying to make the electoral college obselete by big_chungus on Thursday August 22, 2019 @01:45PM (#20770614)
Hmm. I'd say the biggest argument I could see is that it would result in less stupid bills, e.g. fewer "bridges to nowhere". Maybe less federal bureaucracy. You probably shouldn't really be able to pass something if you can't convince at least 15,001 Americans. On the other hand, logistics would be an insane challenge, and you'd have a huge issue with the inability to have an actual in-person debate. Also, who wants to pay 30,000 people six figures a year? We'd have to stop paying them for it to be practical.

For reference, the current wage is $174,000/yr (a stupidly-high amount). $174,000 * 30,000 = $5,220,000,000. I'm severely disinclined to pay over five billion dollars per year (plus additional logistics costs) for pencil-pushers to sit around deliberating what bureaucratic idiocy they will next hand down from on high.

Re:15 states are trying to make the electoral college obselete by rtkwe on Thursday August 22, 2019 @04:03PM (#20771852)
As a counter argument I say the place to skimp out on payment isn't in the people making our democracy 30k is a bit OTT in my opinion but 5 billion isn't that much in the grand scheme of the US budget coming in at just .1% of our current spending.
Re:15 states are trying to make the electoral college obselete by danieltillett on Wednesday August 21, 2019 @11:25PM (#20764361)
You are not going to be able to buy off 30,000 reps if you are a lobyist. More reps and less staff are the way to win back democracy.
Re:15 states are trying to make the electoral college obselete by kingkawn on Thursday August 22, 2019 @03:08AM (#20765415)
It is probably cheaper to buy off a large number of low-power reps than a smaller number of high power ones
Re:15 states are trying to make the electoral college obselete by rocqua on Thursday August 22, 2019 @08:47AM (#20767403)
Moreover, if the reps have fewer staff, they will probably rely more on lobbyists for research.
Re:15 states are trying to make the electoral college obselete by rtkwe on Thursday August 22, 2019 @04:06PM (#20771887)
There's loads of ways to solve it though. Let them form groups and pool money to pay for analysts and staff as blocks or beef up the OMB to provide better faster analysis of bills and let them use those. The pooling makes a lot of sense to me because with groups that large you're going to have to form shared interest groups just to have reasonable length debates.
Re:15 states are trying to make the electoral college obselete by danieltillett on Thursday August 22, 2019 @05:14PM (#20772410)
Not if actual experts get elected. With 30,000 reps you are going to get a wide variety of people elected many of who will know something about the world outside of politics.

If you include the staff there already are 30,000 reps, just that most of them are not elected. The current system is more like having 450 mini corporations running the place.

Re:15 states are trying to make the electoral college obselete by danieltillett on Thursday August 22, 2019 @06:04AM (#20766370)
It might be cheaper, but it is going to be hard to organise.
Re:15 states are trying to make the electoral college obselete by uncletaco on Thursday August 22, 2019 @08:31AM (#20767281)
Set expansion rules so the number of reps is always equal to the cubed root of the population rounded down. They would provide adequate scaling rules imo.

If the UK can stomach well over 600 MPs the so can we.