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Re:Copyright Infringement != Theft by rms on Tuesday June 03, 2008 @12:32AM (#207627)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_relativism To me, there is no intuitive moral wrong here to start with.

>Let's say that someone produces a musical album, and, knowing they cannot legally stop you from downloading it, they ask you not to copy it unless you send them $5. Would it be morally wrong to copy without paying?

Trent Reznor actually did this recently with his Ghosts I-IV album. It was released under a CC non-commercial license, making it freely copyable. But the only Reznor-endorsed way to download it was to pay him $5. In this particular case, at least, there is absolutely nothing immoral about downloading Ghosts from The Pirate Bay, even if Reznor would like the $5.

Reznor seemed guilty about pulling the pay me to download a CC album; his most recent album had sanctioned free bittorrent downloads of ultra-high resolution music files.

Re:Copyright Infringement != Theft by tptacek on Tuesday June 03, 2008 @12:39AM (#207630)
If Reznor had not CC'd it, had simply posted it at a URL on his site along with a PayPal link, and said "do not download this until you've paid me", would it still be moral to download it from The Pirate Bay?
Re:Copyright Infringement != Theft by rms on Tuesday June 03, 2008 @12:41AM (#207631)
My moral relativism on this issue is as liberal as it gets, so my personal answer is a combination of "yes" and "it doesn't matter."
Re:Copyright Infringement != Theft by tptacek on Tuesday June 03, 2008 @12:44AM (#207635)
Which is why I have to suffer FairPlay DRM to download songs from iTunes. Thanks.
Re:Copyright Infringement != Theft by rms on Tuesday June 03, 2008 @05:19AM (#207773)
I think you have a moral duty to hasten the death of corporations that use DRM.
Re:Copyright Infringement != Theft by rms on Tuesday June 03, 2008 @12:45AM (#207636)
I have one Waffles invite left... ;)
Re:Copyright Infringement != Theft by tptacek on Tuesday June 03, 2008 @12:53AM (#207642)
I'd rather sulk.
Re:Copyright Infringement != Theft by rms on Tuesday June 03, 2008 @04:09AM (#207748)
No, that is the RIAAs fault.