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Re:Researcher banned on Valve's bug bounty program publishes... by chris_wot on Wednesday August 21, 2019 @05:27PM (#20762013)
H1 could make it a proviso if using their service that rejected but reports are automatically disclosed.
Re:Researcher banned on Valve's bug bounty program publishes... by tptacek on Wednesday August 21, 2019 @09:22PM (#20763770)
1. The overwhelming majority of rejected H1 reports are garbage.

2. It is not the case that all reporters want their findings disclosed publicly, even if they're rejected.

3. Reporters already retain the right to publish findings however they'd like. The worst H1 or a client can do is kick you off the platform.

4. A bug bounty platform that mandated disclosure of any sort would lose all its customers to the platform that didn't have that mandate.

Re:Researcher banned on Valve's bug bounty program publishes... by awirth on Wednesday August 21, 2019 @10:07PM (#20763972)
"The worst H1 or a client can do is kick you off the platform."

As a hacker on hackerone, this is not my understanding of the relationship. Generally speaking the programs give you "authorized access" under the CFAA conditional on following the disclosure guidelines. I don't know about for other countries, but for the US I'm pretty sure this means that breaking the guidelines means you've retroactively committed a felony.

Now seems a little questionable about if any federal prosecutor would actually take the case, but it definitely doesn't seem like a strictly civil issue to me.

Strongly agree on all other points though.

Re:Researcher banned on Valve's bug bounty program publishes... by PeterisP on Thursday August 22, 2019 @11:17AM (#20769028)
CFAA could (and likely would) apply for remote vulnerabilities i.e. exploiting SQLi on someone else's servers; but in the case of local privilege escalation like this particular case all the exploiting/testing happens on systems owned and controlled by the researcher, so it doesn't violate CFAA and doesn't need any permission from Valve - the breach happened with authorization from the system owner.

You need permission to pentest someone else's systems, you don't need permission to pentest software on your own systems even if that software is written by someone else. In an enterprise setting it's possible that you have signed a contract where you agree not to do such testing or not to publicize its results; but violating that would be a civil matter regarding the terms of that contract, not a felony in respect to CFAA.

Re:Researcher banned on Valve's bug bounty program publishes... by anticensor on Thursday August 22, 2019 @02:55AM (#20765354)
> you've retroactively committed a felony.

There is no such thing as a retroactive crime in rule of law systems. Disclosure could be a considered an offense in its own, though.

Re:Researcher banned on Valve's bug bounty program publishes... by tptacek on Thursday August 22, 2019 @11:44AM (#20769352)
How?
Re:Researcher banned on Valve's bug bounty program publishes... by tptacek on Wednesday August 21, 2019 @10:13PM (#20764004)
I agree, if you're testing someone else's website or servers, you should comply with the scope and disclosure rules or not do the testing, unless the vendor has something else on their website that implicitly authorizes testing (like an email address to send reports to).

But that doesn't apply to Steam; nothing they write can really impact your ability to conduct security research on your own computer.

Re:Researcher banned on Valve's bug bounty program publishes... by awirth on Wednesday August 21, 2019 @10:17PM (#20764029)
Yeah, agree in this specific case about local research (baring DMCA issues). Most H1 scopes seem to be remote targets as opposed to downloadables though.
Re:Researcher banned on Valve's bug bounty program publishes... by busterarm on Wednesday August 21, 2019 @10:17PM (#20764030)
And this is why many of the researchers I know are based outside of or have left the United States and work out of places like Thailand.
Re:Researcher banned on Valve's bug bounty program publishes... by tptacek on Wednesday August 21, 2019 @11:43PM (#20764453)
I'm having trouble thinking of a single researcher that has left the US for legal reasons. There are lots of researchers now in Southeast Asia! But that's because bounty programs like H1 let those people work remotely.
Re:Researcher banned on Valve's bug bounty program publishes... by busterarm on Thursday August 22, 2019 @10:10AM (#20768239)
There are plenty of researchers not in the US saying "don't do your research in the US".

You don't have to get into legal trouble to see which way the wind is blowing.

Re:Researcher banned on Valve's bug bounty program publishes... by tptacek on Thursday August 22, 2019 @01:08PM (#20770238)
So what you're saying is you can't name many researchers who have left the US either.
Re:Researcher banned on Valve's bug bounty program publishes... by busterarm on Thursday August 22, 2019 @05:36PM (#20772608)
I mean, the grugq is a really obvious and notable one.
Re:Researcher banned on Valve's bug bounty program publishes... by shkkmo on Wednesday August 21, 2019 @11:26PM (#20764369)
I can see how automatic disclosure may not be a good fit.

However, why doesn't H1 expressly allow reporters the option of public disclosure for all NA or WONTFIX reports?

Re:Researcher banned on Valve's bug bounty program publishes... by tptacek on Wednesday August 21, 2019 @11:44PM (#20764460)
Among other reasons, because the site is literally stuffed to its gills full of people reporting bullshit security issues, like "user impersonation possible" (if you convince a user to open developer tools and give you their session cookie), and H1 wouldn't be doing any good if it generated a constant stream of people "WONTFIX-disclosing" those reports.
Re:Researcher banned on Valve's bug bounty program publishes... by shkkmo on Thursday August 22, 2019 @12:00AM (#20764514)
I don't quite follow this reasoning. Are you saying that by allowing people to make their NA / WONTFIX reports public, it will dilute the H1 brand? Does association with H1 have a significant effect of the perceived legitimacy of individual public disclosures? Why does this matter?

My presumption is that the "other reasons" are business/political and centered around the desire to provide value to or establish goodwill with corporate partners.

Re:Researcher banned on Valve's bug bounty program publishes... by tptacek on Thursday August 22, 2019 @12:12AM (#20764560)
People can publish whatever they want, and the only thing H1 can do about it is disinvite them from their platform. But anyone who suggests that H1 encourage people to publish NA/WONTFIX bugs probably hasn't had much contact with H1 bounty reports.

In reality, valid bugs being quashed by vendors is not the real problem H1 has.

Re:Researcher banned on Valve's bug bounty program publishes... by shkkmo on Thursday August 22, 2019 @12:22AM (#20764618)
I would rather suggest that H1 discourage (or even prohibit) their partners from dis-inviting reporters for publicizing NA/WONTFIX bugs.

In this particular case, is sounds like H1 (or an employee thereof) actively discouraged disclosure, which seems like a problem.

> In reality, valid bugs being quashed by vendors is not the real problem H1 has.

There can clearly be more than one problem. I still fail to see the relevance of the "bug report quality" problem to this discussion (beyond explaining why automatic disclosure of NA/WONTFIX reports is not helpful.)