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Re:Long Live Microbiomes by scribu on Tuesday August 20, 2019 @06:36PM (#20752919)
You'd probably be ok, if you only ate the veggies you grew yourself. But what about meat, dairy and other animal products? What about bread, rice and other cereals?
Re:Long Live Microbiomes by bardworx on Tuesday August 20, 2019 @06:44PM (#20752992)
I have a friend who is incredibly conscious about such things and they convinced a farmer to raise chickens on non-gmo, organic feed; chickens are free range, and treated humanely. They called it the “holy grail” chicken.

Yes, they did inspect the chicken, feed, etc.

Total cost to purchase is $20/lb. majority of the cost coming from feed.

Regardless if you can pick apart my story or how honest the entire process is, I’m not sure this is sustainable. Who can afford such prices?

If this is the case (and true at face value), what are our choices?

I don’t want to be a Debby Downer, just passing along info.

Re:Long Live Microbiomes by dv_dt on Tuesday August 20, 2019 @07:09PM (#20753174)
The interesting part is that current lowest-cost food production is a semi-random walk of various optimization paths to arrive at the status quo. That someone tried a different path, optimizing different parameters doesn't give any guarantees that further attempts could or could not go as low in price, or maybe at get to an overall higher value to a wider set of end consumers even if the price were higher.

We could be creating less waste, or healthier food products, the question is how do we systematically explore new spaces like that, even when there isn't immediate payoff. We shouldn't just rely on lucky whims of individuals - if nothing else our overall system conspires to a smaller ration of fewer individuals financially capable of indulging such exploration.

Re:Long Live Microbiomes by esotericn on Tuesday August 20, 2019 @07:08PM (#20753172)
> Who can afford such prices?

Not sure about $20/lb - I guess this means most don't eat chicken often - but...

https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2015/03/02/389578089/yo...

It may well be that we just have to spend more on food and less on rent (for example). In aggregate it wouldn't be much of an issue if over a period of 10-20 years food prices increased and something else (due to limited individual budgets) decreased.

Re:Long Live Microbiomes by cheeseprocedure on Tuesday August 20, 2019 @07:43PM (#20753369)
It’s possible to raise chickens as part of a broader regenerative system where much of the feed is an output from elsewhere in that system. This has been done profitably by folks like Joel Salatin, but it has its own constraints (for example, availability of pasture land).
Re:Long Live Microbiomes by perfmode on Tuesday August 20, 2019 @06:52PM (#20753047)
you don’t necessarily need meat, dairy, other animal products, bread, rice, and other cereals.
Re:Long Live Microbiomes by airstrike on Tuesday August 20, 2019 @07:15PM (#20753209)
You kinda really need at least a substantial subset of those