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Re:Rising rural BMI is the main driver of the global obesity... by chiefalchemist on Tuesday August 20, 2019 @03:59PM (#20751367)
> "Lots of people are overweight purely because of hormonal/genetic factors"

Yes. That's true. But that's not why the obesity rate is so high. We know this.

As for depression, fair play. But let's not forget that many insist exercise is an effective way to deal with depression. Let's also be mindful that excess weight causes hormonal changes that are also mood-altering. So perhaps your cause v effect - at least in a good number of cases - is in reverse?

Finally, I never said shaming, nor did I imply it. What I said was, if we're going to normalize certain behaviors for individuals then we should not be surprised when those things spread "virally" throughout the rest of the society. So, to your point, when we normalize food as a means for self-medicating depression we're not doing anyone any favors.

To clarify. I agree with your thoughts in general. However, they are the 20% (at best). What about the other 80%?

I also like to add, we're doing it "your way" and frankly, it's clear to see, it's not working. The medical costs associated with T2 diabetes is massive. In nearly all cases, T2D is generally preventable.

Re:Rising rural BMI is the main driver of the global obesity... by _bxg1 on Tuesday August 20, 2019 @04:18PM (#20751617)
> when we normalize food as a means for self-medicating depression

I don't think literally anybody is normalizing that. Everyone knows that's unhealthy. You won't get criticized for pointing it out.

> Finally, I never said shaming, nor did I imply it.

> Mention anyone else's unhealthy habits (e.g., weight or lack of exercise) and you're label a bully.

You specifically mentioned not just habits, but weight, as something to be criticized. I think we've gotten pretty good as a culture about encouraging the right habits, but the weight itself is what many people have limited or no control over.

Re:Rising rural BMI is the main driver of the global obesity... by chiefalchemist on Tuesday August 20, 2019 @04:35PM (#20751795)
> " Everyone knows that's unhealthy."

For the last couple hours I watched a few dozen+ people order 20oz+ high-sugar coffee drinks from that place with the green logo. The everybody you're talking about is not here, nor is it at my local supermarket when every week I see people load up on soda, cookies, etc. People that clearly don't need the calories. So where is this awaremenss and knowledge?

> "the weight itself is what many people have limited or no control over." Yes, I realize it's a fairly complicated issue (e.g., gut bacteria likely play a role). However, that doesn't mean we normalize unhealthy decisions (like the ones I've mentioned above) and then cry about the cost of healthcare. We can't openly promote "love your body no matter what" and then purposely fail to add "and btw, you're going to die younger." We can't deny the value of exercise and replace that with "beat your depression with ice cream. it's ok..." That's just not working.

Yes. Agreed. Some people have medical issues (e.g., some neuro meds are notorious for putting on weight) but that's not everyone. That doesn't explain the obesity rate. And that certainly doesn't prevent humans from "gravitating to the norm."

p.s. For the record, I drink my coffee black. And there's a good reason why I've learned to do that.

Re:Rising rural BMI is the main driver of the global obesity... by chiefalchemist on Tuesday August 20, 2019 @04:51PM (#20751980)
I think this context might help:

"1 in 5 kindergarten children in NYC is obese."

"Nationally, healthcare expenses related to obesity is $1.72 TRILLION, which is almost 10% of the GDP."

https://www.wnyc.org/story/nyc-free-lunch/