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Re:The world’s most-surveilled cities by wil421 on Monday August 19, 2019 @09:33AM (#20737578)
Atlanta is the most surveilled city in the US. The local news had this on TV last week. They walked around and asked a bunch of random people what they thought. Every single person said they were fine with surveillance if it made things safer.
Re:The world’s most-surveilled cities by psychrometer on Monday August 19, 2019 @10:18AM (#20737931)
> Every single person said they were fine with surveillance if it made things safer.

> A primary argument in favor of CCTV surveillance is improved law enforcement and crime prevention. We compared the number of public CCTV cameras with the crime and safety indices reported by Numbeo, which are based on surveys of that site’s visitors.

> For both indices, the correlation was weak (r = 0.168, r = -0.168, n = 120). A higher number of cameras just barely correlates with a higher safety index and lower crime index.

Re:The world’s most-surveilled cities by AnthonyMouse on Monday August 19, 2019 @11:02AM (#20738347)
> For both indices, the correlation was weak (r = 0.168, r = -0.168, n = 120). A higher number of cameras just barely correlates with a higher safety index and lower crime index.

That's also before you consider the trade off, both in privacy and in money. How much does it cost to put up all those cameras, and how far would that money go if applied to traditional law enforcement methods? Or just not spent because the cost still exceeds the benefit even if the benefit isn't statistically indistinguishable from zero?

Re:The world’s most-surveilled cities by brlewis on Monday August 19, 2019 @10:30AM (#20738044)
> A higher number of cameras just barely correlates with a higher safety index and lower crime index.

That makes an impressive case for cameras. I would have expected a negative correlation. People put up more cameras where there are more crimes.

Re:The world’s most-surveilled cities by AnthonyMouse on Monday August 19, 2019 @11:01AM (#20738337)
> People put up more cameras where there are more crimes.

There is no reason to expect that correlation to exist. People put up cameras where they can afford to buy cameras and have a local legislature that can be influenced by contractors who want to sell cameras, but having money is inversely correlated with high crime rates.

There are more cameras in NYC than Detroit.

Re:The world’s most-surveilled cities by JoeAltmaier on Monday August 19, 2019 @10:20AM (#20737956)
'Safer' doesn't equal 'safe'. What was the crime rate before CCTV? That's the only pertinent question.
Re:The world’s most-surveilled cities by reaperducer on Monday August 19, 2019 @09:39AM (#20737621)
Marketing victims. We've been told for decades that "security" cameras make us safer. They don't. A guard might. But all a camera can do is provide evidence after the fact. By then you're already dead or robbed or worse.
Re:The world’s most-surveilled cities by alkonaut on Monday August 19, 2019 @10:00AM (#20737790)
Crimes happen when the risk is lower than the reward. A camera increases the risk so changes the balance.

If a criminal chooses to not commit a crime (or commits it elsewhere) because the risk/reward balance is changed, then it prevented the crime from happening (there), and made that location safer.

So there is no doubt that the cameras make places safer. Even fake cameras can make a location safer. The question is whether the cost to personal integrity makes it worth it. Most importantly: who answers that question, and who ensures the cameras aren't used for bad purposes? That's probably a smaller problem in London than in Beijing.

Re:The world’s most-surveilled cities by EGreg on Monday August 19, 2019 @10:16AM (#20737917)
Answer: daily double! (Just kidding.)

Why not make cameras that output only encrypted video which may be stored by agencies and decrypted only when people holding the right keys come together during a trial or active police investigation? That would be strictly better for privacy than what we have now - which is total surveillance.

Re:The world’s most-surveilled cities by wil421 on Monday August 19, 2019 @10:26AM (#20738010)
Brookhaven is just north of Atlanta and when I lived there they implemented license plate cameras. They would scan for stolen cars and alert police. The police recovered more cars in the first month than the prior year combined.

The companies are now selling to private communities. [1]

[1]https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ajc.com/news/local/meet-the...

Re:The world’s most-surveilled cities by some_random on Monday August 19, 2019 @09:46AM (#20737672)
That depends, having cameras up around your house certainly makes it a less appealing target than your neighbor who doesn't have cameras. Other than those sorts of situations though, yeah.
Re:The world’s most-surveilled cities by some_random on Monday August 19, 2019 @09:44AM (#20737659)
Can we please stop pretending that the "ask a bunch of random people" tv news sections are at all representative of anything other than the opinions of the the aforementioned random people?
Re:The world’s most-surveilled cities by Dirlewanger on Monday August 19, 2019 @10:13AM (#20737892)
Seriously. Clueless people like the OP are why the 24/7 news channels are as strong as ever.