Re:Thought Experiment – Summer Camp for All Rather Than Univ...
by lifeisstillgood on Saturday August 17, 2019 @12:44PM
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Back in the hey day of Blair's administration, the phrase "what works, works" was used to explain "evidence based policy making" a third way friendly approach.
This has definitely lost its shine as Blair and Clinton have yet to be re-re-discovered as before their time thinkers (#).
But this disdain for evidence tends to lead to the triumph of "common sense" - policies actively pandering to biases in the voters
And this seems like one of those awful ideas that might just gain traction.
It's a commune, a Kibbutz. A cult on a farm in Nebraska. It's idealism not looking down at the muddy ground underneath. God it's what I tried to create when I was an undergraduate. Let's not go there.
Re:Thought Experiment – Summer Camp for All Rather Than Univ...
by aalleavitch on Saturday August 17, 2019 @02:06PM
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Kibbutzim worked out fine, though. In what way have they been shown as failures by evidence? On the contrary, these types of communes succeed with good charters.
Re:Thought Experiment – Summer Camp for All Rather Than Univ...
by charlescearl on Saturday August 17, 2019 @12:49PM
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It is reminiscent of the WPA of the New Deal. In the U.S. these efforts have historically been undermined by racism. “When Affirmative Action was White” (https://www.amazon.com/When-Affirmative-Action-White-Twentie...) makes a case for the G.I. Bill, New Deal and other efforts being compromised by segregationist policies.
The current U.S. president’s proposal to link social services to country of origin seem to indicate that proposals like “Summer camp” (let alone reparations) are likely to face similar opposition.
Re:Thought Experiment – Summer Camp for All Rather Than Univ...
by remicmacs on Saturday August 17, 2019 @03:52PM
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Thanks, I read the Reddit comments and I thought I was the only one seeing that.
I mean it's hardly a thought experiment since it's already the basic idea behind Ursula K. Le Guin's "The Dispossessed", which I'm currently reading. The communities on Annarres are really much alike what is discribed by OP
Re:Thought Experiment – Summer Camp for All Rather Than Univ...
by gandalfian on Saturday August 17, 2019 @01:28PM
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Perhaps the term coop (cooperative) would be closer to the article text than "summer camp". Certainly sharing things like childcare and bulk buying communally seems it would be a good thing? I'm not sure where the fracking and solar power labour comes in though?
Re:Thought Experiment – Summer Camp for All Rather Than Univ...
by jowdones on Saturday August 17, 2019 @02:15PM
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While I think debating ways to implement UBI is a very valuable thing as it may eventually lead to a realistic solution, it doesn't take reading much into this "thought experiment" to realize it's a naive, New Age sort of happy happy joy joy utopia.
This has definitely lost its shine as Blair and Clinton have yet to be re-re-discovered as before their time thinkers (#).
But this disdain for evidence tends to lead to the triumph of "common sense" - policies actively pandering to biases in the voters
And this seems like one of those awful ideas that might just gain traction.
It's a commune, a Kibbutz. A cult on a farm in Nebraska. It's idealism not looking down at the muddy ground underneath. God it's what I tried to create when I was an undergraduate. Let's not go there.
(#) Trust me, everything goes round in cycles
You might want to read "Fields, Factories, and Workshops" or "The Conquest of Bread" by Pyotr Kropotkin
I mean it's hardly a thought experiment since it's already the basic idea behind Ursula K. Le Guin's "The Dispossessed", which I'm currently reading. The communities on Annarres are really much alike what is discribed by OP