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Re:Chinese forces prepare to use 'giant fork' on Hong Kong p... by pinkfoot on Friday August 16, 2019 @02:54PM (#20718376)
Do you really think the US citizens can win a war against the DOD? With handguns?
Re:Chinese forces prepare to use 'giant fork' on Hong Kong p... by rayiner on Friday August 16, 2019 @03:06PM (#20718533)
Assault rifles, which are protected by the Second Amendment. But that’s besides the point. Real revolutions aren’t like in sci-fi dystopias, with an unflinching authoritarian government and a military that obeys every order to mow down rows of civilians. There are competing political factions, and the military is just ordinary people who will do some things for the government, but who will break ranks if pushed too far.

For example, the French Republicans didn’t march into a field and square off head-to-head with the royal army. They stormed the Bastille to get the weapons there then caused a bunch of ruckus: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Storming_of_the_Bastille. What followed was a complex mix of political events and violence that led to the downfall of the monarchy.

A more recent example: Bangladesh won its independence when fighting caused Bangladeshi members of the Pakistan military to defect. The hostilities then drew in military support from neighboring India. But you can’t start the war if all you have is kitchen knives.

Re:Chinese forces prepare to use 'giant fork' on Hong Kong p... by ac29 on Friday August 16, 2019 @03:47PM (#20718983)
> Assault rifles, which are protected by the Second Amendment.

Perhaps that's your interpretation, but the second amendment doesn't specifically allow or disallow any particular type of armament (an armament being defined in the dictionary as "military weapons and equipment").

Reasonable people agree that not all military weapons should be able to be owned by civilians - I don't think anyone serious is coming out in defense of civilians owning intercontinental nuclear missiles, for example. Where the line is drawn is a matter of opinion (and disagreement).

Re:Chinese forces prepare to use 'giant fork' on Hong Kong p... by AnimalMuppet on Friday August 16, 2019 @04:04PM (#20719165)
Around 1800, private citizens owned cannons, which were pretty much the top-of-the-line military technology at the time. (At a minimum, there were privately-owned merchant vessels with cannons.) So at least at that time, there were no limits.

This does not mean that I am in favor of private citizens today having nukes, or even howitzers. I'm just saying, at the time of the Second Amendment, it was more or less unlimited.

Re:Chinese forces prepare to use 'giant fork' on Hong Kong p... by rayiner on Friday August 16, 2019 @04:08PM (#20719197)
What the Second Amendment protects isn’t a matter of opinion and abstract line drawing. The Second Amendment by its terms protects the right to “bear arms.” It precludes banning “arms” as a category. Now you can draw lines about what is or is not an “arm” that someone may “bear.” (You probably can’t bear, i.e. carry, a nuclear weapon. On the other hand, the Constitution expressly contemplates private ownership of warships.) But you’re stuck drawing lines with respect to that term. And its hard to draw a line where handguns are “arms” but assault rifles are not.
Re:Chinese forces prepare to use 'giant fork' on Hong Kong p... by hundt on Saturday August 17, 2019 @07:57AM (#20723549)
I'm not sure I understand your argument. I assume you mean "assault weapons" because actual "assault rifles" (capable of automatic or burst fire) are not generally legal to own in the U.S. But your argument would apply equally well to these banned assault rifles (they are clearly "arms"), so doesn't that mean your argument is wrong?
Re:Chinese forces prepare to use 'giant fork' on Hong Kong p... by rayiner on Saturday August 17, 2019 @10:36AM (#20724226)
If fully automatic rifles are “clearly ‘arms’” (as you put it) then a blanket ban on them is unconstitutional.
Re:Chinese forces prepare to use 'giant fork' on Hong Kong p... by pinkfoot on Thursday August 22, 2019 @11:29AM (#20769172)
Presumably, so would a ban on shoulder-launched nuclear weapons?