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Re:Google Employee Writes Memo About ‘The Burden of Being Bl... by umvi on Friday August 16, 2019 @02:35PM (#20718162)
Easy for Norway to say. America is 60x bigger population-wise, 30x bigger geographic-wise, and some order-of-magnitude more diverse (10x? 100x?) racially.

While I agree America can do better, comparing the US to Norway is like saying "Yeah, our Norway.com servers have only crashed once. Twitter.com would do well to copy how we do things; they seem to have servers crashing way more often than we do" which completely ignore issues that come into play at orders of magnitude higher scales - for if you put Norway.com under the same strain as twitter, Norway.com's servers would be crashing left and right as well.

Re:Google Employee Writes Memo About ‘The Burden of Being Bl... by username90 on Friday August 16, 2019 @02:44PM (#20718260)
> America is 60x bigger population-wise

Right, so if they had the same level of police brutality you would have 60 deaths in the history of American police, or about 1 killing per year. Even if the police were racists and killed twice as many blacks, that would still just be one black dead every few years, then it wouldn't matter.

The rest of the differences are not important here. Racial diversity shouldn't be related to crime or shootings.

Re:Google Employee Writes Memo About ‘The Burden of Being Bl... by umvi on Friday August 16, 2019 @02:49PM (#20718326)
> Right, so if they had the same level of police brutality you would have 60 deaths in the history of American police, or about 1 killing per year

Only if problems scale exactly linearly and there are no side effect emergent behaviors you have to account for. Otherwise when a big tech company goes from 1M to 10M users, they just need 10x as many servers, right? Problem solved.

Nope, in real life each order of magnitude has required serious, difficult engineering to overcome the challenges, you should read up on how companies like Amazon/Facebook have scaled with users. I'll give you a hint though - they didn't just draw a line and extrapolate how many servers they would need for each year.

Otherwise you could just say: "Oh, New Hampshire has a homocide rate of 1 per 100,000. New Hampshire has a population of 1 million, therefore that's 10 deaths per million, therefore by simple extrapolation, the USA should only have 3000 homocides per year!"

Re:Google Employee Writes Memo About ‘The Burden of Being Bl... by KptMarchewa on Friday August 16, 2019 @05:08PM (#20719729)
This is a very narrow view of things. If scale in real life worked like that, easy and obvious solution would be to break up US into 60 pieces and you'd have 60 Norways, right? Nope. US problems are due to culture, not size.
Re:Google Employee Writes Memo About ‘The Burden of Being Bl... by umvi on Friday August 16, 2019 @05:28PM (#20719893)
In fact, the US is broken up into 50 pieces, and some pieces fare much better than others in terms of violence/suicide per capita depending on the region.

> Nope. US problems are due to culture, not size.

Probably a combination of both. Culture isn't a thing that can be easily changed, though.

Re:Google Employee Writes Memo About ‘The Burden of Being Bl... by your-nanny on Friday August 16, 2019 @07:07PM (#20720555)
that's true, but I don't think a scale issue is the heart of the difference. Otherwise, for example, you'd think there would be very little police violence in rural America, but that is not true.
Re:Google Employee Writes Memo About ‘The Burden of Being Bl... by xenihn on Friday August 16, 2019 @02:49PM (#20718331)
I am assuming that Norway was chosen to provide an extreme comparison. Go ahead and compare the US to a few other developed nations. Hell, compare it to a few under-developed nations too. Hopefully you will notice a pattern.
Re:Google Employee Writes Memo About ‘The Burden of Being Bl... by umvi on Friday August 16, 2019 @03:10PM (#20718582)
In what way can you compare the US to other countries fairly? That's like comparing Microsoft to small businesses and showing that the small businesses have lower bug counts and more efficient processes. Well of course! It's not easy to run a huge company as efficiently as a small one.
Re:Google Employee Writes Memo About ‘The Burden of Being Bl... by Zigurd on Friday August 16, 2019 @03:03PM (#20718508)
All the dogs in my neighborhood are barking now: "and some order-of-magnitude more diverse" means "because we have non-white people."

The US has zero excuse for brutal policing.

Re:Google Employee Writes Memo About ‘The Burden of Being Bl... by umvi on Friday August 16, 2019 @03:11PM (#20718595)
> The US has zero excuse for brutal policing.

The police are brutal because the civilians are brutal. It's a two way street. Has a Norwegian police officer ever died at the hands of an angry driver? And no, it's not always "cause guns" (though it certainly exacerbates things). In Colorado, a civilian (hunter) killed another civilian with a crossbow on the side of a highway after a fit of road rage. It could have easily been an officer (and indeed officers frequently die at the hands of civilians)

Re:Google Employee Writes Memo About ‘The Burden of Being Bl... by Zigurd on Friday August 16, 2019 @06:16PM (#20720237)
This justification of brutal policing is disgusting in any context. There is no excuse for brutal policing. And the "diverse population" justification has been racist from the moment it was first used.

This is the factual context: The number of police feloniously killed each year is under 50 and falling. The number of people killed by police is over 1100 per year and rising, despite overall falling crime rates.

US police have abysmal performance in this. They are brutal, savage, and unprofessional compared to any other developed country. Militarization, the Drug War, and recent political exhortations to be "tougher" do not help.