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Re:Google Employee Writes Memo About ‘The Burden of Being Bl... by dlivingston on Friday August 16, 2019 @01:55PM (#20717702)
I would like to add my (unwanted) two-cents: I'm of the (soft) opinion that protests often cause more harm than good - or, will have a neutral effect - to a cause, particularly when there is anything 'uncouth' to a protest such as violence or obstruction of traffic.

As much as I hate to say it, I struggle to think of what the Women's March or Occupy Wall Street tangibly accomplished.

Can someone provide studies or articles demonstrating the effectiveness of large protests in changing the populace's views?

Re:Google Employee Writes Memo About ‘The Burden of Being Bl... by dragonwriter on Friday August 16, 2019 @02:38PM (#20718195)
> Can someone provide studies or articles demonstrating the effectiveness of large protests in changing the populace's views?

Protests aren't about changing people's views as much as about normalizing active engagement by the silent whose views on the issue (even if they haven't deeply considered them prior to the protest drawing attention) already favor the protesters.

When people already opposed to position a protest takes dismiss it as unconvincing, they are missing the point. Protests are about mobilizing allies not converting enemies.

> I struggle to think of what the Women's March or Occupy Wall Street tangibly accomplished.

OWS directly produced the rapid development of anti-elite populist movements of both the Right and Left which subsequently displaced the dominant faction of the Republican Party and drastically weakened the dominant faction of the Democratic Party, it's a major reason that we have the President we have and that the pool of potential opponents for him in the next election looks like it does.

The meatspace Women's March and the online #MeToo protest movement were the central mobilizing elements in what has been one of the biggest ad most rapid social and political mobilizations of women and around women's issues—in government, workplaces, and society generally—in this country’s history, which had adverse repercussions for a number of very powerful people. It's a key element in the biggest increase in women on Congress from one Congress to the next ever.

Re:Google Employee Writes Memo About ‘The Burden of Being Bl... by jackpirate on Friday August 16, 2019 @02:46PM (#20718291)
There's a famous paper called [DO POLITICAL PROTESTS MATTER? EVIDENCE FROM THE TEA PARTY MOVEMENT](https://www.aeaweb.org/conference/2013/retrieve.php?pdfid=22...) that addresses these concerns. They use the weather as a proxy for randomized controlled trials and show that: areas where it rained during the tea party protesters had fewer protesters and the tea party movement had fewer votes in those areas. Because weather is essentially random, we can therefore conclude that the fewer votes was probably due to people choosing not to protest due to the rain, and if they had chosen to protest then there would have been more tea party votes.
Re:Google Employee Writes Memo About ‘The Burden of Being Bl... by 2bsj22spw-2973 on Friday August 16, 2019 @03:10PM (#20718587)
I think Martin Luther King explained the rationale for civil disobedience very eloquently in his letter from the Birmingham jail.[1]

Ultimately his and other protests led to legislation in the form of the civil rights act.[2]

[1] http://okra.stanford.edu/transcription/document_images/undec...

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_rights_movement

Re:Google Employee Writes Memo About ‘The Burden of Being Bl... by wjn0 on Friday August 16, 2019 @02:09PM (#20717855)
What you're talking about is counterfactual inference, which is a non-trivial problem even in well-controlled settings. The effect of large-scale protests would probably be very difficult to quantify with the rigour you're alluding to. I'd love to be proven wrong, though.
Re:Google Employee Writes Memo About ‘The Burden of Being Bl... by rahidz on Saturday August 17, 2019 @05:01AM (#20722975)
Occupy Wall Street directly brought the idea of there being a "1%" into everyday political and social usage, which has significantly altered the way we discuss class in this country.
Re:Google Employee Writes Memo About ‘The Burden of Being Bl... by dudul on Friday August 16, 2019 @02:06PM (#20717818)
The Tea party, Gandhi and his friends, Protests during Vietnam war, the storming of the Bastille.

Now, in "recent" History I tend to agree with you. My personal opinion is that protests are not violent enough to cause real change.

Edit: I would appreciate feedback from downvoters. I think the few examples I provided are valid to illustrate "protests that caused real change", but if I'm wrong I'm happy to learn.

Re:Google Employee Writes Memo About ‘The Burden of Being Bl... by hnbroseph on Friday August 16, 2019 @02:57PM (#20718428)
wasn't the us involved with the vietnam conflict for the better part of 20 years? i was actually under the impression that the vietnam protests, while at times quite noticeable, weren't all that impactful in-and-of themselves.

i think that, insofar as one might be inclined to point at "successful" protests, it's often really an issue of achieving a consensus amongst a plurality of those in power.

perhaps protests can work toward that (i'm not sure); but if so, they could also work against it. i sadly doubt the protests in hong kong, despite their scope and intensity, will change much at all when the powers-that-be neither care, nor (seemingly) can ever be made to care.

Re:Google Employee Writes Memo About ‘The Burden of Being Bl... by dudul on Friday August 16, 2019 @03:02PM (#20718496)
Isn't it generally accepted that the US "lost" the war because of the violent anti-war protests? I didn't say one single protest changed the whole thing, but these protests changed the attitude of the population towards the war, made it vastly unpopular, and in the end the US had to give up.