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Re:The electric car as a talisman of false hope by AnthonyMouse on Friday August 16, 2019 @11:51AM (#20716386)
> Nothing else even comes close.

According to this logic the real number one thing you could do is to kill yourself, but it fails for exactly the same reason.

You're just measuring the impact and not the cost. Doing one thing with a large impact and an even larger cost is worse than doing three things whose total impact is more and total cost is less than that of the one thing. Especially since in this context they stack -- if you buy an electric car and switch to electric heat and install solar panels on your roof, but so too do your spouse and three kids, that's going to have more impact than having two kids while you're all driving ICE cars and getting heat from fuel oil and electricity from coal, since the impact of each measure is multiplied by each of the five people in your family.

On top of that, you're not considering the economic and political implications. If there are fewer children then there will be fewer working people per retiree. That means a resource crunch, which is exactly the sort of thing that will prevent people from being able to afford sustainable alternatives that may cost a little bit more, and then you've doomed us all.

Re:The electric car as a talisman of false hope by irq11 on Friday August 16, 2019 @12:10PM (#20716609)
Only if you equate “having fewer children” to “killing yourself”, which is transparently incorrect, not to mention tasteless.

However, the responses to this simple fact continue to be enlightening: people would rather commit all sorts of tortured fallacies of reasoning than change their lifestyles in any meaningful way.

Re:The electric car as a talisman of false hope by AnthonyMouse on Friday August 16, 2019 @12:26PM (#20716796)
> Only if you equate “having fewer children” to “killing yourself”, which is transparently incorrect, not to mention tasteless.

It's the same result. You're just choosing it for yourself instead of your parents having chosen for you, which only seems fair -- I know I'd rather be the one to choose for myself. But the point is that the choice, in either case, is not worth the cost when there are better alternatives.

If we were at the point that population reduction was the only possible solution then we would be soliciting volunteers, but it's not.

> However, the responses to this simple fact continue to be enlightening: people would rather commit all sorts of tortured fallacies of reasoning than change their lifestyles in any meaningful way.

Why would anybody want to do that when it isn't necessary? You can't just buy an electric car and call it done, but it's one among a collection of things you can do that sum together to an actual solution that doesn't require people to abandon their standard of living.

Re:The electric car as a talisman of false hope by YeGoblynQueenne on Friday August 16, 2019 @01:57PM (#20717720)
Killing a living, breathing person is nowhere near choosing to not make a new one, morally, practically, legally or in any other sense.

Edit: choosing not to have children (and I don't think that's a reasonable way to expect people to try and address climate change) is not population reduction. It's population control, if you like. You are making sure that the population doesn't keep increasing. Killing people on the other hand is population reduction. They're really not the same thing at all.

Re:The electric car as a talisman of false hope by AnthonyMouse on Friday August 16, 2019 @10:13PM (#20721531)
> Killing a living, breathing person is nowhere near choosing to not make a new one, morally, practically, legally or in any other sense.

I don't think anybody wants to have the abortion debate right now, so let's not.

> choosing not to have children (and I don't think that's a reasonable way to expect people to try and address climate change) is not population reduction. It's population control, if you like.

The fertility rate is already below the population replacement rate in developed countries, so having fewer children than the current baseline is a (further) population reduction.